port-a-pot options

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Dec 2, 1997
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- - LIttle Rock
Determining tank contents level

That requirement is no different from US CG regs...they're just not very strictly enforced here. It only applies to remote tanks. But even remote tanks don't have to be equipped with gauges if they're in a location and made of a translucent material that allows you to determine the level of the tank by "visual inspection." The tank in any self-contained system has to be "opened" just to flush the toilet, which provides the necessary means of determining the level in the tank without opening any separate "inspection port" or removing any plumbing....and that's perfectly legal under both US and Canadian law. If it weren't, there'd be a whole bunch of illegal systems out there. As for the plumbing messing up your v-berth...I suggest you look at other boats in your size range that have permanently installed self contained systems to see how they're plumbed. The height issue is easy to solve: remove the lid. the tank is sealed when the toilet is not in use anyway...the cushion becomes the lid over the bowl. If it were my boat, I'd go with the simplest solution possible...and that's a self-contained system. But, it's not my boat.
 
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william

how come my simpliest of questions....

.....tend to generate such darma :). maybe some day i'll make it up to canada. (i have but not on a boat). probably not in my 23 footer tho. for now i sail by myself mostly on inland lakes and hopefully soon to be coastal sailing the gulf of mexico and so tex ditch. (where peeing overboard, or on the side of the highway for that matter, is not an uncommom site as long as one is discrete). however, i imagine that the enviromentalists will get around to enforcing stricter laws here too....and probably rightly so. a larger boat and a composting toilet and enough solar to run it would be my preference but for now i am a big fan of simplicity. actually, since my boat has never yet been named i'm leaning to just that....."SIMPLICITY". the sanipottie with deck pump-out looks pretty much like it will fit the bill. the covering of it with a cushion issue is almost moot. i wouldn't mind covering it just to give more storage space but so far the only thing i have found the 2 small insert cushions good for is getting in the way of what i want. (they are also useful for backrests since one can't sit "back" in a h23 so sitting with ones back to the bulkhead with the cushion as a backrest isn't a bad position. i am truly not prepared to give-up the very limited storage space in my boat to a holding tank system. and having no through hulls below the waterline suites me just fine too. i have plans for 20 gal of water and at least 10-15 gal of fuel. all things being equal i'll take an oak bucket first and keep the fuel and water. i'll probably be doing the sani-potti this winter so will take some pics. right now its cold and snow is forcast. the boat is covered and i alowed plenty of working room this year. peggy, one question i don't understand tho about pump-out-the-top type systems since i'm new to this. does the tank have to use a macerator , (or similer), to pump to a shore pump out or do the shore stations "suck" things out. this definetly has a bearing on my installation.
 
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Kevin Keen

Pumpout Issues for William

William: In the US you can count on a good number of quayside marine pumpouts with sufficient suction to draw up unmacerated waste. I plan to start sailing next spring on Stuart Lake (east of the Alaskan Panhandle). This lake is a No Discharge Zone (NDZ). There a couple of small marinas on lake. No marine pumpouts. I have the option of extracting waste with a manual pump or an electic pump. Many electric macerator pumps have male threads to screw into a waste tank so this type of pump is the easiest to use. However, the Blake Lavac is a self-macerating head and if I decide to install this vacuum head, I have the option of installing two manual pumps: one from the head to the waste tank and the other from the waste tank to the deck fitting. Now Peggie has made some good points in favor of the 5-6 gallon Sealand Sanipottie. But I need to get an advance ruling from both BC and federal authorities. The Canadian federal Recreational Vessel Sewage Pollution Protection Regulations were written in the spirit of excluding portable toilets in the typically Canadian manner of not making this exclusion obviously apparent but rather by nuance. I can't wait to read the reply to the argument that taking the opporunity of a flush to check tank level in a Sanipottie does not constitute opening the tank. :) Thank you, Peggie! However, before you started all this William, I was totally unaware that I needed to install a flame-screen vent (i.e., fuel vent) for the waste tank. I wonder how many will get nailed on this (explicit) technicality? Cheers! Kevin.
 
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress

No, William... a macerator is NOT required

to assit a shoreside pumpout. A macerator pump has only one function: to dump the tank at sea. However, any pump will do for that job...it's not necessary to macerate holding tank contents because--unless someone has flushed something they shouldn't have that will never dissolve (in which case it would clog a macerator--solid waste (which is 75% water to start with and is broken up by even a manual toilet when flushed) and quick-dissolve TP (the only thing that should ever be used in a marine toilet) break up and dissolve literally within minutes in a tank. So there should be no need whatever to macerate tank contents to dump 'em. Kevin, because methane is flammable, USCG regs also require some kind of "spark arrester" in tank vent fittings, but it's not enforced. Screens actually create more problems they solve...there's never been a fire or explosion from a waste tank vent...the screens just get clogged up by dust, pollen, waste from overfull tanks etc, but clogged vents have resulted in a lot of cracked tanks...and clearing the thru-hull usually results in knocking out the screen.
 
Jun 2, 2004
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- - Sandusky Harbor Marina, Lake Erie
No on board pump on the Great Lakes

All of the facilities we have visited in the US and Canada on Lakes Erie, Huron, and Superior have had plenty of suction to lift the waste ashore from the holding tank or porta-potty. (Charters in Superior and the North channel had holding tanks while our '77 h27 has a porta-potty.) David Lady Lillie
 
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