Ok, had my first serious race, a two day event. 28 mile course to an overnight raft up and then back. Needless to say each day turned out to be 10 hour days, I am exhausted. I will say the Hunter23 handled the seas and conditions pretty good. What frustrated me to no end is not being able to point to weather. Like other threads I've seen have said, the boat stays with anybody downwind or on reaches. I only have the original sails, and the 100% jib. It is also the wing keel version, which I think is part of the problem when I over-heel the boat. Seems the pointing angle upwind is about 130 degrees. So frustrating!! Still have the original stationary mount jib lead block, so no adjustments there. I experimented with moving the jib sheet inside the side stays but it tightened the bottom of the jib and left the top too open. And it backwinded the main. Ran the sheet between the upper and lower side stays and that was the best I could get. Does anyone get the boat to point better with new sails? Or is the nature of the beast? What do people with new...flat sails get upwind? I know lots of people say to sail the boat very flat, and maybe I should have tried reefing.
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Ok, had my first serious race, a two day event. 28 mile course to an overnight raft up and then back. Needless to say each day turned out to be 10 hour days, I am exhausted. I will say the Hunter23 handled the seas and conditions pretty good. What frustrated me to no end is not being able to point to weather. Like other threads I've seen have said, the boat stays with anybody downwind or on reaches. I only have the original sails, and the 100% jib. It is also the wing keel version, which I think is part of the problem when I over-heel the boat. Seems the pointing angle upwind is about 130 degrees. So frustrating!! Still have the original stationary mount jib lead block, so no adjustments there. I experimented with moving the jib sheet inside the side stays but it tightened the bottom of the jib and left the top too open. And it backwinded the main. Ran the sheet between the upper and lower side stays and that was the best I could get. Does anyone get the boat to point better with new sails? Or is the nature of the beast? What do people with new...flat sails get upwind? I know lots of people say to sail the boat very flat, and maybe I should have tried reefing.
Ok, had my first serious race, a two day event. 28 mile course to an overnight raft up and then back. Needless to say each day turned out to be 10 hour days, I am exhausted. I will say the Hunter23 handled the seas and conditions pretty good. What frustrated me to no end is not being able to point to weather. Like other threads I've seen have said, the boat stays with anybody downwind or on reaches. I only have the original sails, and the 100% jib. It is also the wing keel version, which I think is part of the problem when I over-heel the boat. Seems the pointing angle upwind is about 130 degrees. So frustrating!! Still have the original stationary mount jib lead block, so no adjustments there. I experimented with moving the jib sheet inside the side stays but it tightened the bottom of the jib and left the top too open. And it backwinded the main. Ran the sheet between the upper and lower side stays and that was the best I could get. Does anyone get the boat to point better with new sails? Or is the nature of the beast? What do people with new...flat sails get upwind? I know lots of people say to sail the boat very flat, and maybe I should have tried reefing.
Ok, had my first serious race, a two day event. 28 mile course to an overnight raft up and then back. Needless to say each day turned out to be 10 hour days, I am exhausted. I will say the Hunter23 handled the seas and conditions pretty good. What frustrated me to no end is not being able to point to weather. Like other threads I've seen have said, the boat stays with anybody downwind or on reaches. I only have the original sails, and the 100% jib. It is also the wing keel version, which I think is part of the problem when I over-heel the boat. Seems the pointing angle upwind is about 130 degrees. So frustrating!! Still have the original stationary mount jib lead block, so no adjustments there. I experimented with moving the jib sheet inside the side stays but it tightened the bottom of the jib and left the top too open. And it backwinded the main. Ran the sheet between the upper and lower side stays and that was the best I could get. Does anyone get the boat to point better with new sails? Or is the nature of the beast? What do people with new...flat sails get upwind? I know lots of people say to sail the boat very flat, and maybe I should have tried reefing.
Tally, a little more info might help.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
Tally, a little more info might help.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
Tally, a little more info might help.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
Tally, a little more info might help.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
You indicated you thought the sails were original . . . what year? Also, the general state of winds during your race would be helpfull too. I suspect that the fixed jib lead is now a hindrance with your older sails; it prevents adjustments to compensate for stretch. Also, if the winds were consistently 15+ you may have been over-canvassed and/or you needed to flatten your mainsail with your outhaul/vang/halyard/cunningham and adjust your traveler for the angle of attack for your main. Hope this helps a little.
Pointing ,
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
Pointing ,
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
Pointing ,
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
Pointing ,
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
I think Peter will chime in here soon with some really well written sound advice .One thing occured to me after reading your post . Cliff R , used to be a frequent poster here and has moved on somewhere . He did some pretty amazing things with a 23 . I think he shortened the shrouds and moved the attachment point for the rigging . Do a search in the archives , Cliff Ruckstull .That spelling is not correct but close . You might also check over at the racing site or possibly bigger boats .Cliff lived around Findlay Ohio and was in the hvac business if I recall . Some one should be able to help you out with the spelling of his name . Good luck , Mike
Hi Tally
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Hi Tally
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Hi Tally
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Hi Tally
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
Just curious- do you sail upwind with lots of weather helm? Reducing mainsail (or adding jib) until the sails are balanced helps IMMENSELY - this boat was designed with a fair amount of weather helm (huge mainsail for it's size tries to nose you up into the wind and stall) Do you have an adjustable traveler? If you can get the traveler to windward a bit it may help you with the jib backwinding. As for cliff (Ruckstuhl) and his crazy modifications...I've spent a good deal reading the achives for things he did. He went crazy with this boat - he put a shorter set of spreaders on the mast (5" chopped off each side) and put new chainplates on the sides of the cabin, in front of the window. I think he even started designing a new keel but never went through with it. I can tell you that with an original mainsail and a 135 jib, my 23 loves to go to windward, and I can tack through 90 degrees fine.
another thought..
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
another thought..
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
another thought..
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
another thought..
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
You mentioned that you were backwinding the main. Your boom should have been on centerline, and your top batten should be aligned with the boom. Your power is in your main sail, so drive it hard. If you cannot sheet it in to centerline, reef and try again.
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