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Persy

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Dec 22, 2004
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Hunter 42 Madisonville
probable cause ? !

carrying tote bins means probable cause ? ! ? ! under that logic, could police stop and search cars with trunks since trunks are used to transport drugs? what in the would would 'not' be probable cause then?
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
GuyH, A car with a trunk and to guys and the back

bumper nearly dragging the ground and NY state tags in Louisiana. That is probable cause!
 
Jun 2, 2004
3,554
Hunter 23.5 Fort Walton Yacht Club, Florida
Probable Cause Not Required Never has Been

There is no such requirement for them to stop and board you on the navigable waters of the US or anywhere else if you are US flagged http://www.uscg.mil/d11/OAN/special/spec8_04.pdf
 
Jan 8, 2007
126
Macgregor 23 New London CT.
FOR BILL COXE

Bill. I have had my compuer in the shop and have just goten back to being on line again, I sail out of Burrs Marina in Greens Harbor on the Thames River in New London, I own a 1979 Mac 23 (bright yellow ) which is always on the farthest mooring out in Burrs Mooring field usualy right on the edge of the chanel way in . I'm right next to a rock marker by "junk" Island and accross from me are the Yacht Club Boats.My boats name is Sundance and I usualy have a yellow Lab. dogie with a life vest on with me....my email is smitroe@sbcglobal.net .......... Have a good one and e-mail me if you have any questions ... I have been approached by the EB security boat several times when I have been in my 14 ft. runabout. its scary in that boat when a ferry is comming at you and you're on that side of the river there is no place to go. It doesnt bother me in the sailboat ,just my 1963 run about......smitroe
 
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Clyde

Valid ID

The issue of state boating licenses which the USCG could use for boater identification has nothing to do with safety. The reason the USCG wants a state boater license is for security, to positively identify the operator of vessel in US waters. It is obvious based on this question that people are not aware of the new laws their elected representatives have enacted. The USCG and our other military agencies do not create laws; it's the elected officials that create new laws. The USCG is caught between a "Rock and a Hard place" on this issue of homeland security. After 9/11 Washington enacted the Maritime Transportation Security Act of 2000. The USCG was ordered to mitigate the potential of a terrorist act against US maritime facilities and transportation. Increase security measures can not be implemented overnight; a risk assessment and measures to mitigate these risk must be researched and planned. In December of 2006, U.S. Coast Guard Commandant Thad Allen spoke at the meeting of the National Conference of State Legislatures. It was at this meeting that he brought up the question of having a state boating license that could be used by the USCG for identification. "The United States already has endured terrorism using small civilian craft, albeit overseas: In 2000, suicide bombers in the port of Aden, Yemen, used an inflatable boat to blow themselves up next to the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding 39 others. Terrorism experts point to other ways small boats potentially could assist in attacks – for example, a speedboat could deposit saboteurs at the outlet pipes of a nuclear power plant, or hijackers aboard a cruise ship. In a nightmare scenario, suicide bombers in a crowded harbor could use small watercraft to detonate a tanker carrying ultra-volatile liquefied natural gas, causing a powerful explosion that could kill thousands..." "As good as we get at surveillance, as good as we get at patrolling and creating deterrence out there, sooner or later we’re going to have to come to grips with the fact that we need to know to a greater certainty who are operating boats out there, what boats are out there..." USCG Commandant Thad Allen said at the meeting. It sounds like no big deal. The question put to this forum was: "It is not clear why the Coast Guard feels existing forms of identification, such as a valid state driver's license or Social Security card, would be insufficient." Using your state issued driver's license will work until 2013 when the Real ID Act of 2005 will be enforced. The Real ID Act of 2005 requires that for the federal government to accept a state driver's license as ID, the state must comply with the requirements of the Real ID Act of 2005. "Each state driver's license or identification card must include, at a minimum: The person's full legal name. The person's date of birth. The person's sex. The person's driver's license or identification card number. A photograph of the person's face. The person's address of principal residence. The person's signature. Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements (the details of which are not spelled out, but left to the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the states, to regulate). Before a state driver's license or identification card can be issued, the applicant must provide the following documentation: A photo ID, or a non-photo ID that includes full legal name and birthdate. Documentation of birthdate. Documentation of legal status and Social Security number. Documentation showing name and principal residence address. Digital images of each identity document will be stored in each state DMV database Each state must agree to share its motor vehicle database with all other states. This database must include, at a minimum, all the data printed on the state drivers' licenses and ID cards, plus drivers' histories (including motor vehicle violations, suspensions, and points on licenses). Any state that does not link its database, containing records on all drivers and ID holders, to the database of the other states loses its federal funding." The new law was to take effect in May of 2008, but it was extended until 2013 because some states are oppose to the new federal law. If a state refuses to implement the Real ID Act of 2005, than the state loses some federal funding. This also means that no federal agency or any organization doing business with the federal government can use the state driver's license as identification if it doesn't meet the Real ID Act of 2005. What this means is that you can not fly domestically in the USA using your state driver's license if it is from a state that doesn't meet the Real ID Act of 2005, since the Transportation Security Administration(TSA) regulates airport security. You can't open a bank account if the bank is federally insured using your state driver's license as identification if it that doesn't meet the Real ID Act of 2005. You can't get a federal student loan or apply for Social Security using your state driver's license as identification if it that doesn't meet the Real ID Act of 2005. If your state driver's license doesn't meet the Real ID Act of 2005, it's worthless as ID as far as any agency of the federal government is concern, including the USCG. Using a non-Real ID Act state driver's license would like trying to use a state issued library card for ID to get into a bar; it would be totally useless. If your state driver's license doesn't meet the Real ID Act of 2005 you can always use your passport. State boating licenses are different from state drivers licenses. Some states allow people too young to operate a motor vehicle, operate a boat. U.S. Coast Guard Commandant Thad Allen was testing the water to see if the States might be willing to create a state boating license that will meet the Real ID Act of 2005. The USCG is still developing a security plan for possible small craft threat. I don't how the plan will handle a situation when they board your vessel and ask for ID and you have a state driver's license that doesn’t meet the Real ID Act of 2005. If the USCG requires ID for all operators of vessels in US territorial waters and your state doesn't have either a state boating license or state driver's license that is federally approved form of identification I don't know what they'll do; tell you to leave the area? I guess you can sail carrying your passport or sail in an area without a commercial port or traffic. You could also sail on a small lake, because I'm sure they are going to be checking ID's on the Great Lakes. Fair Winds, Clyde FAQ on Real ID Act of 2005 http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5697111.html Coast Guard broaches state boat licenses http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=165344
 
May 27, 2004
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- - Lorain Ohio
Stopped

I was stopped by the Lorain Coast Guard crew as part of training of new recruits here in Lorain on Lake Erie. I recall they wanted proof of insurance, my boat license credentials. I don't recall much, if any effort to verify my personal identification. However, being on the Lake Erie, a major segment of the Northcoast border with Canada I am only too aware of the security issues. We now have to have Passports just to cross over to Pelee Island. Frankly, I'm OK with identification but not another form of ID. I can't keep track of another ID card. Perhaps my boat license could be issued on a card and incorporate identification.
 
Apr 26, 2005
286
Beneteau Oceanis 390 Tsehum Harbour, BC, Canada
Personal Freedom

The world has become a different place than when we were children. Happily comply, and focus on the ocean and the sheer joy of sailing. Even though our personal freedom has been diminished, we are being protected. Having travelled a lot, most of the world is a grim place, enjoy what we have fellow sailors. Peter
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I would rather be boarded by the coasties than by

pirates as can happen in many places in this world.
 
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ex-admin

Final resuslts

I think the need for boater's ID card: 47% Is not a valid need 23% Needs more thought 22% Is a valid need 09% Should be voluntary 1,083 owners responding
 
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Tom Tennesen

coast gaurd I D cards

It would seem that the boating public already has addiquit ID. We all have a driver's license. What else do we really need? The cost to add another layer of identification which we would all pay for would seem to be a wast of time and our tax dollars.
 
Mar 12, 2007
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- - clear lake tx
thanks

I am new to the forum and am an avid sailor. I would like to thank all of you out there that said great job to the USCG. I am a proud Coastie. I have spent more time with a sheet in my hand than I have been wearing the blue uniform. I understand the frustration behind new id cards, boardings and searches of your boats. Most or our boardings are safety related nothing more. As far as the id cards that is your elected officials passing new resolutions. We just carry out the enforcement of the laws they pass. If you don't like it write your Senator or Congressman. Now I pose a question; How many of you have gotten pissed off at the guy in the bayliner or on the wetbike that doesn't know the rules of the road or how to tell a nun from a can, wouldn't a boater safety course alleviate some of that frustration?
 
Nov 27, 2005
163
- - West Des Moines, Iowa
SchoonerSam, Thank you for your service

Now to answer your question. SURE we've gotten pissed at that guy in a bayliner or that jetski. Sure there is probably a small percentage of those on the water that don't know what they are doing, but many states have a basic boating skills test these days. The real issue is the reality that those "yahoo's" on a jetski zipping in and out of mooring field is not whether they KNOW what they are doing is wrong. the issue is that they don't care. I know most of them have. Its not that we need more regulation, the problem is that we need better enforcement of the laws we have (and I know its not the CG's fault) . I have a solution . I would love to be able to video tape blatant offenders on the water-ways and be able to have the local authorities take action and levy STIFF fines for wreckless behavior and repeat offenders. Sort of like the video camerea on highways that can give people tickets on our highways. IMHO. We don't need more laws, restrictions or regulations . We need to nail that small percentage that are regularly causing the problems
 

grigs

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Jan 2, 2007
37
Catalina 25 East Greenwich
Big Brother

Old Salt has an idea that I think of everytime some fool passes me weaving left to right,always looking for that open slot so he can get somewhere 2 to 3 min. ahead of time.and everyone would love to see the trooper on the other side of the hill have him pulled over. BUT that is his job and I don,t want to become a Big Brother society as in the novel, 1984. But it is great to dream about it sometimes as Old Salt has. Grigs
 
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Tug

Just another feel good resolution

Member of the USCG here. Been around this outfit a few decades at this point and done THOUSANDS of hours of patrol. This boat ID thing is the single most pointless try to make it look like we are doing something to protect you proposal yet. Any law enforcement officer state, local or federal has the right to demand ID from anyone at any time. It is true that you don't need to have your ID with you to operate your boat but honestly how many people don't carry ANY ID when they are out? And let us just say that this is passed and then what... How is the fact that law abiding citizens that will take to time to get the card going to keep the waterways safer. Anyone with cash can buy a boat. Just like anyone can buy a car without a drivers license. Get said boat, fill it with a homemade ANFO bomb a la OK City and put it into the side of a cruise ship, oil tanker, or ferry boat. Now how can an ID card really protect against this? I hope the staff officer that came up with this idea to the Commandant gets a stiff reality slap on the side of his melon and not a good officer evaluation.
 
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