Plane clips H37C, see...

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Ed Schenck

Ed Schenck

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video: http://www.tbo.com/video/xml/MGBRB7LB3OF.html
Ed called me on Saturday( I was getting married and did not get the message until Sunday :) ). He said check the "tbo" website regarding the Davis Island plane crash. I read the article and as I scrolled down the story became more and more incredible. I'll let Ed post his version but you can see him in the video and see more here: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/no...-davis-islands-airport-authoritie/news-metro/

Sadly this is the boat that my bride first felt the thrill of holding a course. Will we sail on her again I wonder.
 
Phil Herring

Phil Herring

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Whoa, whoa, whoa

Let's back up a second... you got married on Saturday?? Ed, congratulations!

I will check those videos out but just couldn't let that pass by without comment. :)
 
Ed Schenck

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Thanks Phil. Forty-six years after the first time, to the month. But don't you ever get away from here? Ed Allen is one of my very best friends, most experienced and best sailor that I know. And we met right here on HOW, probably eight years ago.
 
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Benny

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Years ago we used to stage the raising of the mast on a trailerable boat at the end of Peter O'Knight runaway as the launching ramp is right there. It was a little unerving watching the bottom of them planes 30-40 ft above the mast. I guess you cannot see straight down in front of you from the cockpit of the plane when taking off and you probably cannot see the mast and wires at a distance which closes too fast at around 100 mph. It can also be due to the gap between looking and seeing. If you don't expect something to be there you may look but not necessarily see it. I'm glad there were no fatalities but something needs to be done to warn pilots of the need to maintain a minimum altitude of at least 100 ft when landing or taking off.
 
Jim Legere

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C&C Frigate 36 St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
Congrats to BOTH Eds!

Congrats to Ed S. on his recent marriage (...never too late to start a new voyage!)

and congrats to Ed Allen for surviving a near-miss. It could have been pretty serious for the crew of Windancer. Hope all goes well with the repairs and that you are sailing again soon.:dance:
 
Ed Schenck

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Thanks guys,

for the good wishes. It is a new chapter for sure. We were both happily married when our mates were taken from us. It is possible to start again, not easy but possible.

Ed's H37C is testament to the strength of the boats. That plane cut his furler/forestay right off the mast. The keel-stepped mast stands tall as you can see in that video.

This is very upsetting for Ed because it is so hard to "see" the damage. It tore the wing off of the plane so what did it do to the boat. Obviously the mast and all the rigging are toast. But what about the chainplates and bow stem and their attachment points? Also the mast partner and the mast step. And the step is bolted to the keel. So you see his dilemma.

Complicating his decision are things like new A/C, new bimini, new main, and a great 4-cyl. engine.
 
Jim Boernge

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Dec 23, 2003
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WOW! Guess I better watch for C-130s as I leave the Keesler AFB marina past the end of the runway the hurricane hunters use!!!
Hope all goes well with the boat repairs. I agree with checking out mast step, chain plates, etc, but, I would imagine you will discover that the mast failure is limited to standing rigging stretch and mast shear (plus of course furler). The video seems to show that the mast failure rotated at or just above the shroud attachment points. Shrouds will have tensile elongation stress and should be replaced even if they appear ok.
Ed and Ed, post a follow up after the damage is assessed. Glad nobody was killed...
 
Ed Schenck

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Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Sorry to report that the boat went to salvage. Ed had an "agreed value" policy and the insurance company wanted to total the boat. Ed is naturally upset about this having just installed all new cushions, air-conditioning, and a new bimini. Plus it was in excellent condition with good sails and a good 4-cyl diesel. I think that eventually he will have more to report.
 
Jim Boernge

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Dec 23, 2003
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Hunter 36_80-82 Gulfport, MS
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Probably too late, but I'd have gone up the chain of command in the claims department. What insurance company? Sounds like the claims estimator might not have been qualified to handle the estimate.
Doesn't the plane's insurance cover damage to other property or did the boat jump up and run into the aircraft????
Makes me sick.
 
Rick D

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
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Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Oh, Yea, Steve's Right!!!

I would bet that boat is repairable for a lot less than what the insurer estimated.

I would have him approach the insurer with the idea of retaining the salvage (1st preference) or buying back the salvage and fixing it on his own.

In this economy, he can save a bundle on labor. There are probably a lot of items that are very repairable that they have called out for replacement.

Having said that, he needs to first examine the estimate very carefully, probably with a repair contractor to see how much savings is feasible. Second, he has to understand the insurance won't be available from this same company once he repairs it. Third, if it is a state-titled boat, he could wind up with a salvage-noted title which can (will) affect the resale value.

However, there is still the possibility he gets to keep a very nice boat economically.

 
Jim Boernge

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Dec 23, 2003
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Hunter 36_80-82 Gulfport, MS
insurance

Good points Rick.
All that being said in the earlier posts, an agreed upon value is a limit on the boat owners' policy, which does not limit the liability of the pilot, plane owner or their insurance.
Id like to know who Ed A. is insured with. Some adjuster needs to go back to school or join the unemployed line. I don't think Windseeker violated the plane's airspace. If the airport glide slope would be so low as to intersect a boat mast, then the waterway would be restricted.

The boat owner's insurance should be spending mony on going after the pilot's policy and forget about agreed upon value!!!

I hope Ed can get this resolved to his liking.
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Ed A

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Sep 27, 2008
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Re: insurance

Yes im sorry to say the windseeker was hit by a plane. I will limit my comments for now as i am not sure what will happen. I do think the companys involved are doing a good job of dealing with the whole thing.


I do understand and appreciate all the things that have been offered as advice. So untill things progress a little further I won't comment on the crash.

I do want to say the pilot and his passenger are recovering thank God.

The crash should have killed both of them and probably me too but we were all blessed with me being ok and each of them with a broken hand and a leg and foot.

If i had been struck a few further aft we could have all lost our lives.

I dont want to say much more about the crash at least untill it is all resolved. Please bear with me and ill let you all know what happend when i get it all resolved.

The boat carefully inspected, as you can immagine there is lots of damage.

I am done hearing about all the cheap hunters out there.

Thanks for you advice notes and views on this, to say the least it has been quite a trip.

Ed A
 
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