pictures of BlackStar Portland, CT

[rtyszka]

I uploaded the pictures I have of BlackStar on Yahoo. Let me know what you think any comments, pointers or direction is appreciated.

Thanks

Richard




http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ratyszka/

 

[TomY]

Amazing! Thanks for posting those photos.

In restoring the cabintop and sides, what are your plans? Will you paint the sides? Will you be putting glass in the big ports and if so, how will you trim them to hold the glazing in?

What about the decks? I plan to refinish mine soon but would like to save the non skid pattern. Not sure how/if I can remove the flaking paint inside the pattern to repaint. Did you grind yours down?

Thanks again, I spent some time studying your photos. You can learn alot about your own boat seeing an extensive gallery like this.

 

[David]

cabin top and sides

Whatever you end up doing on the cabin top and sides, I'll probably follow your lead. I'm currently refurbishing the fuel tanks, so I can't really think too much about the cabin top now though.

What I have thought about though is that I want to glass the mahogany sides to the deck and roof. I think that whatever I can do to stiffen the cabin top to the deck and hull will make for a stronger boat. How the glass will meet the sides, I don't know yet. I love the varnish look on the sides, but I don't know that I want to sign up for that much annual maintenance. I'm leaning towards painting the sides and cabin top white.

Regarding Tom's comment about glass in the big ports, so far the best idea that I heard was from Tom regarding putting in extra thick plate glass. I really don't want plastic in there because of the scratching. However, plate glass gets heavy so we should think about the effect it will have on rolling when at anchor. As I think about it now, it seems to me that it should reduce rolling.

 

[rtyszka]

Plans for refurb

I am not sure what direction I am taking on this.

Here is what my thoughts were:

I wanted to keep the cabin sides natural, I was going to either replace the cabin sides (http://www.theboatguys.com/in_the_works.htm) or refinish them.

I have a new set stock windows for the cabin sides, I have not checked them out, but wanted to keep the boat as "stock" as possible.

Decks...I am not sure, the previous owner sanded them down pretty well. I would like to apply some sort of non-skid material (either substrate in paint or rolls of material).

I fully expect to thouroughly document (pictures, video and log) the restoration. I will make sure I share my efforts with the group.

For you local folks, feel free to stop by if you are in Portland, Ct (where boat is), I plan on keeping the boat where she lies. I will also leave shrink wrap cover on her (makes working on decks and such easier)



Richard

 

[TomY]

Holy smokes! What do you know about the Challenger

in the photo on the website you posted? Is that the one I saw for sale without a price or details? Any info?

That's pretty much taking a Challenger down to where they started when the hull and deck arrived. Those planks don't look long enough, maybe they scarfed extra length on? I believe they will need boring completely through for bolts from deck to top, a difficult job too.

I hope you can save your cabinsides for refinishing Richard, that will save alot of work. The cabinsides certainly will be easy to refinish in the state they are now in. Ports out, trim at deck and cabintop removed.

I will be stripping my sides this spring. It's been 6 years since they were wooded. Fairly easy job and easy maintainence, just a quick coat or two each spring. I think it would have lasted longer(8 years-Maine?)had I removed the moulding at the deck joint which I will do this spring, that's where the finish failed. I now know this joint is a leaker and will wick water in and move it down the deck to the galley area, then it finds and easy way out(or at a fastener along the way). With molding removed, it will be easy to clean out and caulk the cabin side to deck. Then I will rebed the base molding which I will seal all sides with varnish.

Speaking of "stock" the little molding pieces which hold the glass ports in are a very nice delicate shape. They stand proud of the sides giving the whole frame of the port a nice depth, shadow line and shape. I've been able to remove this small trim and replace but I intend to set up something to reproduce it.
The straight pieces are no problem but the corners will take some sort of jig. Any ideas on producing this trim?

This will make refinishing easier. I will also remove the ports even though they don't need rebedding. It will make the job easier. I have let in a few patches here and there, they look fine and nearly disappear.

Cabinsides hold finish pretty well, the cabin front takes more of a beating and requires more maintainence or better yet, a canvas cover.

It is great to see you photos of your ongoing work.

 

[TomY]

Original Alden port trim photo.

The corners are seperate pieces, 90 degree bends and shaped the same as the longer pieces. #4 wood screws every 2 inches. A heat gun and gently prying with a putty knife pulls the pieces off for rebedding of the ports.

The large double D ports have two small corner pieces and two large radius pieces. The cabin sides have about a 3/8" rabbit to hold the plate glass. I bed the glass first, then apply an outside bead and bed the moulding. Boat life mahogany color polysulfide(not to much adhesion)

I intend to be able to reproduce this molding easily, I hope. Bandsaw, sanding drum in a drill press, router jig? You should be able to "fairly easily", rebed a port. Many replaced with opening ports, CHRISTMAS just has one in the cabin front and head.

This was an attractive detail that took some work. You can see the varnish lifting at the deck trim. Also note the bronze inserts for shutters. I may remove them as I have no intention of crossing an ocean soon.

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[Whit]

I replaced the cabin top with 3 layers West system laminated 1/4" meanti plywood with Dynel on top to give that old time canvas look. The interior beams are laminated fir varnished.
I also need to make up some of that trim around the ports. I was thinking of steaming and a jig to make the corner pieces that Tom mentions.
I was interested in seeing your pictures. I have a completely different setup in the head. My toilet is where your sink and cabinet is located. I could not tell from the photo's where the mast went. I have a porcelain sink in the corner where your toilet is. I think I like your arrangement better.
Not to add more work for you , but have you checked out the chain plates? Any telltale rust stains?