PHRF Certificate
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Depending on where you are, you should be able to get a PHRF. The Chesapeake Bay Yacht Racing Association gives them out for $35.00 a year and that includes membership in the association. Quite a deal, even if they can't give out an accurate number for the Pearson 31, but I digress about that cad.
http://www.chesapeakesailing.net/cgi-bin/phrf/phrf_form.cfm
Depending on where you are, you should be able to get a PHRF. The Chesapeake Bay Yacht Racing Association gives them out for $35.00 a year and that includes membership in the association. Quite a deal, even if they can't give out an accurate number for the Pearson 31, but I digress about that cad.
http://www.chesapeakesailing.net/cgi-bin/phrf/phrf_form.cfm
Yes, if you want to belong to PHRF in southern California, you must belong to a club that is affiliated with SCYA, the Southern California Yachting Association. However, it isn't necessary to join a full-service yacht club. SCYA has many relatively inexpensive boating clubs and paper yacht clubs that you could join to have PHRF access. See the list at: http://www.scya.org/ The site for SoCal's PHRF is: http://www.phrfsocal.org/howtojoin/howtojoin.php
That seems a little silly. When racing is at an all time low, why restrict it to YC members only? Even if it is not difficult to join one, why add the extra step?
We do everything we can to get more boats into races, including giving out provisional certificates for one time racers.
The club thing is a leftover from the old days as i believe it use to be that way on LIS when it was pretty rare to be racing and not belong to a club
Find out when the Ventura Yacht Club meets and stick your head in the door. They won't bite. Great folks. There are other Clubs in you area which probably have reasonable dues and you will get back a lot more than you pay in. Also see if there is a Lancer 28 association in your area. What a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of clubs have reciprocal priveleges which allow members from other clubs to use their facilities. I was a member of the San Fernando Valley Yacht Club for years before I moved to Nevada and became a member of the Nevada Yacht Club. They are commonly known as "Paper" clubs because they don't own a club house and the dues are pretty reasonable. Contact the SCYA and they can probably help you find a club that fills the bill. Fair winds from Past Commodore NYC PHRF 57806.
Who do you think organizes, sponsors and administers the various races in a pariticular region? The clubs.... and they choose phrf standards to level the playing field. The reason the paper clubs exist is to provide access to all the events by all sailors. $35/year... that's less than you spend in the marina bar after a day of sailing.
Her to get one you do have to join the YRALIS for $45 + PHRF $45 + $50 US SAILING and then pay extra for a entry fee if you not a club member
And the local paper club is pretty dam snotty about membership right down to having to get voted on
And the local paper club is pretty dam snotty about membership right down to having to get voted on
PHRF racing
I agree with the concern over paying a USYRU membership, a club membership and paying to get a PHRF certificate if you are not into serrious racing. I have found 'crusing class' races in major regattas and don't mind entering that way. After several first place finishes, I was once asked by the race committee to race in the PHRF 'B' class but declined. My reasoning was that if I didn't have a valid PHRF certificate, I could likely be protested if I finished ahead of someone who carried all the memberships and a valid certificate. As it happened, I did finish 1st in 'cruising 'B' and my corrected time was ahead of all but one of the PHRF non-spinnaker boats.
There have been several 'benefit' races such as the Leukemia Cup or Epilepsy foundation Cup that include cruising class boats, and you know you'd be out there for a good cause.
I agree with the concern over paying a USYRU membership, a club membership and paying to get a PHRF certificate if you are not into serrious racing. I have found 'crusing class' races in major regattas and don't mind entering that way. After several first place finishes, I was once asked by the race committee to race in the PHRF 'B' class but declined. My reasoning was that if I didn't have a valid PHRF certificate, I could likely be protested if I finished ahead of someone who carried all the memberships and a valid certificate. As it happened, I did finish 1st in 'cruising 'B' and my corrected time was ahead of all but one of the PHRF non-spinnaker boats.
There have been several 'benefit' races such as the Leukemia Cup or Epilepsy foundation Cup that include cruising class boats, and you know you'd be out there for a good cause.
Options...
... I agree that for first-timers, a PHRF certificate and membership is overkill. In this area (SoCal), there are plenty of regattas that have open cruising class entries which do not require a PHRF number or YC membership. However, once one has participated in a number of those, it's time to step up to the plate and contribute to the organization that does all the data collection and organization so that you can have the freebies (IMHO). It's a natural progression.
... I agree that for first-timers, a PHRF certificate and membership is overkill. In this area (SoCal), there are plenty of regattas that have open cruising class entries which do not require a PHRF number or YC membership. However, once one has participated in a number of those, it's time to step up to the plate and contribute to the organization that does all the data collection and organization so that you can have the freebies (IMHO). It's a natural progression.
Up here, one reason you need to be a member of a recognised club is for insurance (that's what I was told - not sure of the details...). Belonging to a YC automatically joins you to VARC(? Or maybe CYA...). Anyway, I joined SLYC and they're a great bunch of people, with pub nights and cruises as well as racing. TCYC is another low-cost YC with the cameraderie and racing without the snootiness.
druid - doesn't own white pants OR blue blazer
druid - doesn't own white pants OR blue blazer
Form your own group, 3 to 5 boats can get together for informal racing. Use the "jack rabit" start and everyone gets to race. (The "rabbit" sails close hauled across the course and the others cross his stern. When the last boat crosses the rabbit's stern the race has started.) Take your own times at the finish and sort out the race results over a beer at a favorite pub and set the date for the next race. Monthly meetings in one of the group's house can keep things organized and is fun in itself. No dues no fees. Others willl soon notice and ask to join. Pretty soon it will grow by itself and become more formalized. Continue this path or start anew, it's your choice.
That's what we did 40 years ago and are now 250 strong, have $40/yr dues and $35/yr race fees ( monthly cruises are free) for about 40 events per year and have to rent meeting facilities to contain everybody. See <SSSScllub.com> It has remained a very friendly group and very definitely not a "Yacht Club", hence the name "South Sound Sailing Society" located in Olympia, Washington.
FWIW, Geohan
That's what we did 40 years ago and are now 250 strong, have $40/yr dues and $35/yr race fees ( monthly cruises are free) for about 40 events per year and have to rent meeting facilities to contain everybody. See <SSSScllub.com> It has remained a very friendly group and very definitely not a "Yacht Club", hence the name "South Sound Sailing Society" located in Olympia, Washington.
FWIW, Geohan
So... you finish first in all these no certificate races... but don't want to get a certificate to race with more serious competitors... what's your point? You said you're not a serious competitor but go to great length to tell us how much better racer you are than PHRF racers. Sounds to me like you're just cheap.
If I can find it I will post a poem by Gil Buffery, Commodore emeritus SFVYC, entitled "A Ten Buck Trophy Must Be Won." It is priceless. Once you start competitive racing it will get into your blood. Cruising around is great, but racing will hone you sailing skills and will also get you some new friends and sporting rivals. I never race just to win, but to gain a little knowledge. I have a box full of dusty trophies and lots of memories. The picture I posted on my profile is of my yacht Freedom in the SCYA midwinter regatta off Marina Del Rey in 1977. (A yacht is the way you describe your boat to someone who will likely never see it.) Every dollar you spend on a membership will come back three fold. Pardon the pun, but get your feet wet. Fair winds...
Rick, that is called an entry fee. And most well run regattas make money so the YCs that do the organizing and run the regatta are not hurting for more money.
We did a Regatta a couple of weeks ago. The enrty fee was reasonable, no PHRF required although most had one, free continental breakfast and brunch for all participants and we made $1,000 with only 13 boats entered. And our trophies are high quality engraved pewter dishes. The key is getting sponsors which is fairly easy.
The requirement for YC membership is simply not needed.
We have the opposite problem here in that our YC has non racers and power boaters that do not want any of their fees going towards racing activities.
To get a PHRF cert in Maine, you need to join the Gulf of Maine Ocean Racing Association. Total cost is $50 and the money is split between PHRF New England and GMORA (shamefully, I can't remember who gets how much). The GMORA dues help to offset the cost of the annual banquet and season trophies.
But most clubs in our area don't even require a cert to race, or if they do, as TimR explained, you can get a provisional cert good for one race at no cost.
I don't find the cert fee at all unreasonable, and if you participate at all, you get more than you put in.
But most clubs in our area don't even require a cert to race, or if they do, as TimR explained, you can get a provisional cert good for one race at no cost.
I don't find the cert fee at all unreasonable, and if you participate at all, you get more than you put in.
At The Quantico Yacht Club ...
We do not require you to be a member of a club here in Quantico, Va. In fact we go out of our way to get everyone to race. In fact, our Frostbite Regatta is on the 16th of October. Show up and mention my name and we will let you race and even stay after for the chili competition.
We do not require you to be a member of a club here in Quantico, Va. In fact we go out of our way to get everyone to race. In fact, our Frostbite Regatta is on the 16th of October. Show up and mention my name and we will let you race and even stay after for the chili competition.
Pay $40 for a seven race series and you are automatically a member of the Lake Murray Yacht Racing Association. A PHRF is assigned to you at no additional cost. The $40 goes for maintaining a pontoon boat and for nice wood plaque trophies. Nobody cares whether you are a yacht club member, have a mansion on the water, or are a trailer sailor.
Racing should be so cheep
Here to race J24 in local one design and open racing for the summer
45 PHRF
50 YRA
50 US Sailing
65 J24 class
220 summer series (10 X 1 hour race)
CALL ME CHEEP But its real easy to drop in the 700 dollar range on local entry fees
We took a pass on some of the local race weeks this year on the 35' boat because the total cost was well into 5K range
Here to race J24 in local one design and open racing for the summer
45 PHRF
50 YRA
50 US Sailing
65 J24 class
220 summer series (10 X 1 hour race)
CALL ME CHEEP But its real easy to drop in the 700 dollar range on local entry fees
We took a pass on some of the local race weeks this year on the 35' boat because the total cost was well into 5K range
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