Phil:Or should I address you as Mr. Herring when I am begging.I think that you need a shared Food/Beverage Forum. Everyone can post their favorite food/beverage remedies. We have had some really great stuff posted here over the last couple of months and they have all faded into the archives.Please, please Mr Herring, can we have our food/beverage forum now.Thats it for me, no more groveling. I'm back on my feet.