pfd's

Aug 17, 2013
931
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
hey everyone, I'm due to buy a new pfd for myself and I'm wondering what type you all recommend, a simple foam pfd or an inflatable one and if inflatable do you recommend manual or automatic?, for visitors I have some simple keyhole type pfd's, but since I often single hand the boat I'm looking for something better for myself.
 
Jun 29, 2010
1,287
Beneteau First 235 Lake Minnetonka, MN
Auto Inflatable. Not as warm as a foam one and if ya go in unable to pull, ya inflate.
 
Apr 19, 2012
1,043
O'Day Daysailor 17 Nevis MN
For off-shore I'd want a full off-shore pfd available. For inland or coastal sailing I'd give another vote for the auto-inflate (they can also be activated manually). They are a lot more comfortable and easier to move around in. It might also be a good idea to get one or two extra cartridges to go with it. The only issue that I've experienced with one is when my wife forgot she had her pfd on and went swimming with our granddaughter.. poof.... At least we know it works. ;)
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
... .. the comfortable kind that you can wear without it bothering you is the best.. ....
Second that, the best PFD is one you will actually wear. So take the time to get one that is comfortable.

I started off with a vest type foam (comfortable) vest but it would get very hot... So I got an inflatable one. I still keep the vest type for when I'm sailing in cooler weather.
 
Apr 19, 2012
1,043
O'Day Daysailor 17 Nevis MN
Second that, the best PFD is one you will actually wear. So take the time to get one that is comfortable.

I started off with a vest type foam (comfortable) vest but it would get very hot... So I got an inflatable one. I still keep the vest type for when I'm sailing in cooler weather.
Very good points. I also still wear my foam type when I sail my dinghy since I have a higher chance of getting wet.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Inflatable PFDs don't count for USCG requirements unless you ARE WEARING it. So, having one aboard, you'd still need to have a Class III PFD on board for every person on board.

Also, wearing an inflatable on board is definitely easier to move around with, less bulky, etc. However, when in the water and inflated, it may be HARDER to swim, move around, etc.

As CB says, if it's cold out, wearing a foam vest style PFD will keep you warmer.

Depends on your main sailing grounds and conditions. I use a fanny pack style inflatable when I'm kayaking on the lake or other familiar, close type waters. But I don't intend to come out of the kayak, given that I have very strong rolling skills. When the wind swings to NW at our lake, it tends to be very gusty. I've been heeled enough to ship water over the cockpit gunwale. If the water is warm, I'll wear the inflatable (and put in drop boards) for those conditions. When racing, I think it's just easier to wear a vest style. When I'm out in the Force 5, the likelihood of swimming is high, so it's good to wear the vest.

I currently have a full size run of Kokatat Msfit PFDs from my kayak instruction days. I find them to be very comfortable fit-wise. However, they run a little bulky because they are higher waisted to accommodate kayak spray skirts (they have to have roughly 16 pounds of buoyancy no matter what, so the foam gets thicker.) I also decided to try a Kokatat SeeO2, which is a hybrid foam/inflatable. The idea is there's enough foam to be neutrally buoyant, maybe 7 pounds (I can swim under water with it on) but it also has inflatable bladders to give more than the 16 pounds of a Class III PFD. I thought it was going to be the best of both worlds - thinner and less bulky like a CE buoyancy aid, while still more buoyant than a USCG Class III. What I find is that it is about the same bulkiness due to the pockets to hold the bladders.

So, there are USCG Class III regs, and then there are European standards, the CE designation. CE has a "buoyancy aid" designation appropriate for inshore supported racing. Companies like Zhik, Musto, Spinlock and Gill make the CE approved buoyancy aids, and they are often used by racers. My friend who used to race Hobie 16's once told me that the Spinlock Zero was highly favored due to its low bulk design, but that sometimes other racers would protest because it's not USCG approved. I wouldn't have a problem using a CE buoyancy aid on a typical round the buoys race, because there's always a support boat if things go horribly wrong. Given I sail on a lake where I should be able to swim across when the water is warm, I wouldn't have a problem with a CE vest. The Fish and Boat Commission patrols wouldn't question if it was USCG, they'd just see a PFD-looking-thing on my person, and wouldn't think twice. If I got whacked, knocked out, and drowned while wearing one, well, I'd be perfectly ok with that. Sorry for friends and family who wouldn't, but then again, a USCG Class III won't roll you face up if you were face down and unconscious anyway.

In spring and fall, I would wear something. I follow Dr. Gordon Geisbrecht's 1-10-1 rule of cold water. Survive the 1st minute of hyper respiration and other cold shock, to survive the next 10 minutes of rapidly decreasing muscle control, to float around up to an hour before dying of hypothermia. http://www.coldwaterbootcamp.com/pages/home.html
 

jwing

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Jun 5, 2014
503
ODay Mariner Guntersville
I come into sailing from the world of whitewater kayaking and so does my pdf.
Here are the reasons I'm not switching to the inflatable style:
1) Safety I, the only reason to wear a pfd. My pdf has pulled me through swims in Class V whitewater. Therefore I trust it. I don't trust flimsy balloons that need to be inflated before they even have a chance to work. Then, they have to remain airtight.
2) Safety II. My pdf has a fitting for keeping a one-highhandedly deployable safety knife close at hand.
3) Comfort I. My pdf has stayed on through countless whitewater misadventures, without requiring a crotchstrap.
4) Comfort II. A good whitewater pfd is built for maximal arm and torso movement, unlike the typical, cheaper 'life vests.' This is essential for swimming, and makes moving around while still aboard comfortable.
5) Comfort III. My pdf has a bit of foam in the back, so it is a back cushion that goes where I do.
6) Fun. Sometimes I like effortlessly floating in the water with a cold drink. I wouldn't do that with an inflatable.

As for the 'too hot' complaint - meh. I guess I'm used to it. I just jump into the water to cool off. Or dip a pail and drench myself in the cockpit. I sail in Alabama, so it's hot regardless. Plus, my pfd has straps, but no bulk around the neck and tops of my shoulders. Those inflatables look really hot and uncomfortable around the neck.

Here's a link so you can see some similar pfds: https://www.astraldesigns.com/shop/paddlesports/mens
 
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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
jwing brings up a good comfort point - those orange U shaped ones that go on behind your head, and buckle in front? Oh, deargod, you can't do anything with those on! I remember as a kid, that's all we had, and they made me wear that crap to learn how to water ski! Won't find them on my boat...
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
those orange U shaped ones that go on behind your head, and buckle in front? Oh, deargod, y... Won't find them on my boat...
They are insurance against a PFD citation from over-zealous fish cops or CG. A block of those make you golden when you find yourself with 6 sailing guests, two of which have PFD's that don't meet muster. Mine have never left the storage bag and rarely leave the lazarette.
 
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Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
... when you find yourself with 6 sailing guests, two of which have PFD's that don't meet muster.....
Not trying to pick a fight but . wondering.. why would that happen? We don't leave the dock until everyone has fit their life vest.

I have a collection of these... and I keep a few older ones around but those are mostly for floating with a beer. And I have some inflatable ones for when it is really hot and the air is too light to keep us cool
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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Well, one time the deputy didn't like the faded fabric on one of the kid's HelloKitty PFDs and wanted to write a citation...and I don't enforce inflatable PFD wear for adults unless fitness, weather or conditions warrant, so the block of orange PFD's keep us legal. I see you are on Smith Mtn Lake, was nearly run over by a go-fast mobo there a number of years ago, so SML would warrant my PFD if I were on a sailboat there. :)
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Yes, SML has two yahoos on it with big cigar boats. Those guys really piss me off.... they will run around the lake with their jet engine propelled boats going way to fast for any sane person to call responsible. And no one else on the lake can even hear themselves talk when they are out and about. But SML recently enacted speed limits on the lake and they do a good job of policing so things are better now.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
We were there on a weekend as guest of some folks in one of the fancy residential communities. The sound of un-muffled boats was ridiculous, couldn't carry on a conversation outside. Took a launch to a restaurant and had dudes on jet skis jumping our wake the entire way! Waterworld.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,553
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
We were there on a weekend as guest of some folks in one of the fancy residential communities. The sound of un-muffled boats was ridiculous, couldn't carry on a conversation outside. Took a launch to a restaurant and had dudes on jet skis jumping our wake the entire way! Waterworld.
That must have been several years ago. They have really clamped down on that sort of thing. But I remember when it was like that.

I avoid SML on major holidays. During the week, it is usually perfect.
 
Aug 17, 2013
931
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
so I bought an inflatable model, an automatic, now I'm ready for summer