Perplexed by Time

Jun 3, 2004
269
Oday and Catalina O'Day 25 and Catalina 30 Milwaukee
I have an interesting problem with my Weems and Platt clock. When the clock is on shore, it keeps near perfect time for months. I gained less than a minute from October to today when compared to my atomic clock. However, when I put it onboard, it loses time consistently (at least a half hour a week, but sometimes more). This is regardless of whether it is mounted in its base or not. This occurs even with a new battery. There is no corrosion on the terminals, and I even had a clock repair shop look at it and declare it to be in perfect working order. I'm at a loss as to what might be causing this Jekyll and Hyde behavior on the part of this time piece and would appreciate any theories/insights from the collective wisdom as I try to solve this dilemma.

Thanks,

Dave
s/v Lagniappe
O'Day 25
 

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weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
Do you sail really really fast.... like almost light speed fast?
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,474
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
I would venture a guess that the difference is related to temperature/humidity. About all I know about this subject I learned by reading Longitude. The challenge to make a chronometer was for it to lose the same amount of time in varying conditions. Unless your clock is a chronometer, it has not been designed or built to account for those environment changes.
If it is a chronometer, well I'm stumped.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,164
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
When you bring it home... leave it outside or in an unheated shed. Any difference?

I think I'd call Weems & Plath for an explanation. Maybe the clock is for decorative home use.
 
Jun 5, 2014
209
Capital Yacths Newport MKIII 30 Punta Gorda, Fl
Dumb question, but is the battery loose or maybe a wire loose and when sailing it bounces around a little?
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
This is an easy thing to fix.

Just remember that when you are on the boat you are having fun and time flies when you are having fun. That is why your clock is moving faster, it is just proving what we all already know!
 
Aug 26, 2007
268
Hunter 41DS Ventura, California
My dad had a friend that constantly bragged about the gas mileage in his new Mercedes.Dad started secretly adding gas to his friend's tank.

After a few fill ups, the "mileage" got to be unbelievable and the bragging was unbearable. Then dad started secretly siphoning his gas.....

Anybody else have access to your clock?
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
We had a similar issue with the same clock so I bought the clock guts at an electronics shop for $5 and fixed it myself.

All U Get
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
I'll go with the heat and humidity theory. That might be harder to pin down than finding a water leak.
 

Johnb

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Jan 22, 2008
1,456
Hunter 37-cutter Richmond CA
You don't say how old the clock is.

There are going to be two major components there. One is electronic and consists of a crystal controlled oscillator (very often a multiple of 32,767 Hz) with digital divider to get a 1 second pulse out. The other is a mechanism to make the clock tick in response to the 1 second pulse.

Either the electronics are skipping some pulses or the mechanism is sticking and not ticking on every pulse. I would put it in the fridge and see if that causes it to lose time. If it does then see if you can stop it by freezing the electronics. If that does not work then look for mechanical sticking, especially if it more than about 5 years old.

Also, the advice to carefully clean the battery contacts is worth taking.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Time is different on a boat. Or the perception thereof..

(Sorry, no real idea. Just my usual pointless reply).
 

Apex

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Jun 19, 2013
1,211
C&C 30 Elk Rapids
Time is different on a boat. Or the perception thereof..

(Sorry, no real idea. Just my usual pointless reply).
I'll chime in too Chris with a similar post: The clock is on boat time, thus more relaxed and moving a little more slowly than usual.

We just got a clock/barometer/comfortmeter set for Christmas. Looking forward to mounting it on the boat.
 
Dec 27, 2014
2
Catalina 250 Margate
Is it affected by magnetism like your compass?

Is the clock mounted near a stereo speaker?

Just a thought.

Paul
 
Jan 22, 2008
8,050
Beneteau 323 Annapolis MD
It's called friction... the longer your eyes rest on the hands, the slower they move.
 
Jun 3, 2004
269
Oday and Catalina O'Day 25 and Catalina 30 Milwaukee
Some interesting points to consider. Based on my finish in the last race I participated in, I'm ruling out the "sailing really fast" option. Of course that could be the skipper. I've attached an older photo showing the clock's location on the bulkhead. http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/album.php?albumid=2158&pictureid=13853. You can see it's near an electric fan (always off on the mooring), an electric light (usually off), a compass mounted below with a backlit device (usually off), and a speaker (often on when I'm on the boat). It does seem to lose time even when all those devices are off for a week or so.

I'll put it in the garage for 24 hours (will be below freezing for the next few days) and see if there is any difference in keeping time. The terminals are clean and the battery is relatively new.

If I can't figure it out, there is an upside. "Sorry I'm late, the clock on the boat showed I still had an hour" is a nice option sometimes.

Thanks for the ideas. I'll see if I can narrow this down.

Dave
s/v Lagnaippe
O'Day 25
 
Jul 7, 2014
18
Oday 27 Croton-on-Hudson
My dad had a friend that constantly bragged about the gas mileage in his new Mercedes.Dad started secretly adding gas to his friend's tank.

After a few fill ups, the "mileage" got to be unbelievable and the bragging was unbearable. Then dad started secretly siphoning his gas.....

Anybody else have access to your clock?
I never met him, but I love your dad!!!
 
Jan 6, 2014
12
Pearson p35 totowa
I have an interesting problem with my Weems and Platt clock. When the clock is on shore, it keeps near perfect time for months. I gained less than a minute from October to today when compared to my atomic clock. However, when I put it onboard, it loses time consistently (at least a half hour a week, but sometimes more). This is regardless of whether it is mounted in its base or not. This occurs even with a new battery. There is no corrosion on the terminals, and I even had a clock repair shop look at it and declare it to be in perfect working order. I'm at a loss as to what might be causing this Jekyll and Hyde behavior on the part of this time piece and would appreciate any theories/insights from the collective wisdom as I try to solve this dilemma.

Thanks,

Dave
s/v Lagniappe
O'Day 25
There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.

couldn't resist
eddie the lock
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
I was starting to think in that direction as well. You're not sailing through some time warp are you? You know, the Bermuda Triangle or something?

Try this....sit and watch the clock and see where and when it gets hinkey. Probably wouldn't take more than a few days..
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
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This is an easy thing to fix.

Just remember that when you are on the boat you are having fun and time flies when you are having fun. That is why your clock is moving faster, it is just proving what we all already know!
The OP says he is losing time, which is actually appropriate for a sailboat. Everything runs slower, which is nice because it makes for a longer day of sailing.

Gfrazzle, I like your dad. ;)