Recently I bemoaned the dreaded cost per hour calculation. That conversation had actually been in response to renewed talk of when to step up to our next boat and what that boat should be (and how much to spend, thus the calculation mishap). She was the one who finally proclaimed 'now or never' on the purchase of our current boat and she has to be on board with the next one. Which brings me to the point of this thread. I've always liked full keel (or cutaway foot) doubled ended cutters (~28-32 ft) with lots of wood above and defintely below. These aren't the swiftest creatures in the fleet. She could easily live with no wood above decks and likes more open layouts below (she loved the Dufour 325). We don't really do extended cruising so we don't necessarily *need* a blue water rated boat. On the other hand, she isn't interested in something speedy and more or less Spartan like a J boat. So my question to you is how do you balance the needs of looks, comfort and performance when you are 'moving up'? It's exciting to look around, particularly on very calm evenings, even if our next purchase may be years away. (and I'm not heading for a divorce, so don't suggest finding a mate who likes the same features I do!)
Performance vs comfort
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looks are important...
This goes for everything around us...boats, cars, spouses, the house you live, etc. Also there is nothing wrong with a boat that goes fast. I'd go for fast and pretty rather than slow and ugly. A nice fast crusing boat in the lenght and price that affordable to you. A cut away keel so it's fast enough with enough displacement so it rides well in the water. Most of the teak inside so the upkeep is easy and nice lines on the outside. Keep looking you'll find it.
This goes for everything around us...boats, cars, spouses, the house you live, etc. Also there is nothing wrong with a boat that goes fast. I'd go for fast and pretty rather than slow and ugly. A nice fast crusing boat in the lenght and price that affordable to you. A cut away keel so it's fast enough with enough displacement so it rides well in the water. Most of the teak inside so the upkeep is easy and nice lines on the outside. Keep looking you'll find it.
As we all know....
..everything about boat ownership involves tradeoffs and compromises. I also believe that your really have to know yourself and what you want out of a boat in order to make an informed choice. This means listening to yourself in term of how you sail -- and where you sail. You really have to like the way a boat looks (I have an upcoming article on this subject to be published shortly -- I hope)AND the way it sails. If traditional full or cut away keel boats, with those long and lovely overhangs, really do it for you, then perhaps one of those boats is best for you. Just be sure you can deal with the way they sail which, in my humble opinion, ain't bad. When I was more involved with racing, I was amazed to see a couple of old and grand Alberg 30's out there for the Wednesday night races competing with all the new boats with go-fast stuff all over them. The Albergs acquitted themselves nicely, even without a nice PHRF handicap. If you have a great looking boat that doesn't sail up to your expectations, you will not be a happy sailor. And, the reverse is just as true: If you have a boat that sails fast but doesn't do anything for you in regard to looks, you'll soon part company. My advice would be to take a complete inventory of what you (and your wife/SO) really want out of a boat. When you narrow down the field to a few candidate types, try to charter a few and see how they feel. You'll know it when you find it.... Good luck.
..everything about boat ownership involves tradeoffs and compromises. I also believe that your really have to know yourself and what you want out of a boat in order to make an informed choice. This means listening to yourself in term of how you sail -- and where you sail. You really have to like the way a boat looks (I have an upcoming article on this subject to be published shortly -- I hope)AND the way it sails. If traditional full or cut away keel boats, with those long and lovely overhangs, really do it for you, then perhaps one of those boats is best for you. Just be sure you can deal with the way they sail which, in my humble opinion, ain't bad. When I was more involved with racing, I was amazed to see a couple of old and grand Alberg 30's out there for the Wednesday night races competing with all the new boats with go-fast stuff all over them. The Albergs acquitted themselves nicely, even without a nice PHRF handicap. If you have a great looking boat that doesn't sail up to your expectations, you will not be a happy sailor. And, the reverse is just as true: If you have a boat that sails fast but doesn't do anything for you in regard to looks, you'll soon part company. My advice would be to take a complete inventory of what you (and your wife/SO) really want out of a boat. When you narrow down the field to a few candidate types, try to charter a few and see how they feel. You'll know it when you find it.... Good luck.
faster is comfort in the end...
My limited and humble opinion points towards the logic that if you are a blue water cruiser, in contrast to a weekend sailor with a mac 26, a fast boat is by far a safer boat since you can potentially outrun bad weather and a fast passageto another port allows more time at that port. Being at anchor is far more restfull than watching the weatherfax and wondering if the storm is moving towards you faster than you're moving away from it.
My limited and humble opinion points towards the logic that if you are a blue water cruiser, in contrast to a weekend sailor with a mac 26, a fast boat is by far a safer boat since you can potentially outrun bad weather and a fast passageto another port allows more time at that port. Being at anchor is far more restfull than watching the weatherfax and wondering if the storm is moving towards you faster than you're moving away from it.
Faster is better
Faster is better if you aren't going blue water. For coastal or lake sailing faster means that you will sail more and motor less. As Warren said consider what is important to you. Honestly if I didn't enjoy sailing I would buy a trawler. I've seen a lot of sailboats especially the large comfortable ones used more like a trawler than a sailboat. So why mess with sails??? If we ever have your problem of deciding what to move up to I want a lot of plastic. Wood is a pain in the a$$ to maintain. Instead of sanding and varnishing I'd rather go sailing. When the wind is light I'd rather be sailing than listening to the diesel. A large cockpit is nice on a coastal boat. But a danger at sea. Our present boat has a small cockpit that really isn't comfortable with more than two or three adults. Even with two getting around the wheel is a pain. It is a safety factor. I've never seen a larger Island Packet Sailing. They have all been motoring!!! They are beautiful comfortable boats. I saw a J32 going about twice as fast as my Pearson 323. We were flying both sails and he only had up his main...I was envious. Looks are important but not that much to me. Performance and comfort trump looks.
Faster is better if you aren't going blue water. For coastal or lake sailing faster means that you will sail more and motor less. As Warren said consider what is important to you. Honestly if I didn't enjoy sailing I would buy a trawler. I've seen a lot of sailboats especially the large comfortable ones used more like a trawler than a sailboat. So why mess with sails??? If we ever have your problem of deciding what to move up to I want a lot of plastic. Wood is a pain in the a$$ to maintain. Instead of sanding and varnishing I'd rather go sailing. When the wind is light I'd rather be sailing than listening to the diesel. A large cockpit is nice on a coastal boat. But a danger at sea. Our present boat has a small cockpit that really isn't comfortable with more than two or three adults. Even with two getting around the wheel is a pain. It is a safety factor. I've never seen a larger Island Packet Sailing. They have all been motoring!!! They are beautiful comfortable boats. I saw a J32 going about twice as fast as my Pearson 323. We were flying both sails and he only had up his main...I was envious. Looks are important but not that much to me. Performance and comfort trump looks.
Comfort vs Speed
Since I am retired, and have very few, if any, time constraints, I lean towards comfort. I lived for a couple of years on a 28'S2, before moving up to the current S37. The S2 is a little bit better light air boat, easy to sail, easy to dock, and all the other advantages of a smaller boat. Above 10 or 12 knots of breeze the sailing advantage goes to the Seidelman. Although it won't point quite as high as the S2. But the comfort level, whether at the dock, or 100 miles offshore is the biggest factor. I would trade comfort over the ultimate in performance, unless I just liked to day sail and go as fast as possible. In light air I may not make over 2 or 3 knots of boat speed, but it is comfortable and I am in no hurry. As for outrunning weather, in a sailboat, that is pretty much just a dream. The difference between your basic slug, and a high performance boat, in the hands of an average sailor is minimal. I know I will get arguments on this, but by minimal I mean three or four knots at most under average conditions. Eight or ten knots isn't going to outrun weather fronts much more than five or six knots.
Since I am retired, and have very few, if any, time constraints, I lean towards comfort. I lived for a couple of years on a 28'S2, before moving up to the current S37. The S2 is a little bit better light air boat, easy to sail, easy to dock, and all the other advantages of a smaller boat. Above 10 or 12 knots of breeze the sailing advantage goes to the Seidelman. Although it won't point quite as high as the S2. But the comfort level, whether at the dock, or 100 miles offshore is the biggest factor. I would trade comfort over the ultimate in performance, unless I just liked to day sail and go as fast as possible. In light air I may not make over 2 or 3 knots of boat speed, but it is comfortable and I am in no hurry. As for outrunning weather, in a sailboat, that is pretty much just a dream. The difference between your basic slug, and a high performance boat, in the hands of an average sailor is minimal. I know I will get arguments on this, but by minimal I mean three or four knots at most under average conditions. Eight or ten knots isn't going to outrun weather fronts much more than five or six knots.
Buy what your wife likes ...
You'll be sorry if she doesn't like what you wanted. Looks and comfort shouldn't be hard for you both to agree on unless you are insistant on lots of wood outside the cabin. I would definitely side with your wife there. How much do you want to listen to the complaints about how much time it takes to maintain it? It would never be worth it in my opinion. It doesn't sound like performance is all that important to either of you. If you get a great looking, comfortable boat that sails fine for weekend get-aways, how wrong can you go?
You'll be sorry if she doesn't like what you wanted. Looks and comfort shouldn't be hard for you both to agree on unless you are insistant on lots of wood outside the cabin. I would definitely side with your wife there. How much do you want to listen to the complaints about how much time it takes to maintain it? It would never be worth it in my opinion. It doesn't sound like performance is all that important to either of you. If you get a great looking, comfortable boat that sails fine for weekend get-aways, how wrong can you go?
au contrar
Your explanation of outrunning weather appears to come from someone who owns a smaller vessel that sails slower. The difference in outrunning a front is not necessarily getting 'completely out of the way'... but by sailing a perpendicular course to the storm pathway you can avoid potentially dangerous conditions and the difference of 4-6 knots per hour can translate into a substantial difference in distance in a 24 hour period. Ask some of the owners in the Lousianna area that headed out when the hurricane was bearing down on New Orleans. The faster boats had a significant advantage ove rthe slower ones at the last minute warnings. That is just my personal opinion.
Your explanation of outrunning weather appears to come from someone who owns a smaller vessel that sails slower. The difference in outrunning a front is not necessarily getting 'completely out of the way'... but by sailing a perpendicular course to the storm pathway you can avoid potentially dangerous conditions and the difference of 4-6 knots per hour can translate into a substantial difference in distance in a 24 hour period. Ask some of the owners in the Lousianna area that headed out when the hurricane was bearing down on New Orleans. The faster boats had a significant advantage ove rthe slower ones at the last minute warnings. That is just my personal opinion.
I don't know about weather but
Just do the math. For coastal sailing a couple of knots meanns 48 NM in 24 hours. So that means going from Mobile to Panama City is a 24 hour trip at 6 kts. At 3 knots it's a 48 hour trip. Or look at going from Panama City to Key west about 400nm at 4 knots it is 100 hours or 4 days. At 6 knots it is 67 hours or less than three days. Of course the difference between a fast boat is most important in light winds. As the wind becomes stronger the difference is much less. Some boats are supposed to be comfortable and fast. I guess speed is important because with a couple as crew the time offshore starts to be very tiring after a day ot two. When we go cruising I don't like over 24 hours at sea at a time because my wife won't carry her full share of being on watch. She fine during the day but at night she tends to wake me up a lot so I can't get much rest. She won't stand watch at all if it is rough at night. 1kt 24 NM 24 hours 2kt 48nm 3kt 72 NM 4kt 96nm 5kt 120 6kt 144 7kt 168
Just do the math. For coastal sailing a couple of knots meanns 48 NM in 24 hours. So that means going from Mobile to Panama City is a 24 hour trip at 6 kts. At 3 knots it's a 48 hour trip. Or look at going from Panama City to Key west about 400nm at 4 knots it is 100 hours or 4 days. At 6 knots it is 67 hours or less than three days. Of course the difference between a fast boat is most important in light winds. As the wind becomes stronger the difference is much less. Some boats are supposed to be comfortable and fast. I guess speed is important because with a couple as crew the time offshore starts to be very tiring after a day ot two. When we go cruising I don't like over 24 hours at sea at a time because my wife won't carry her full share of being on watch. She fine during the day but at night she tends to wake me up a lot so I can't get much rest. She won't stand watch at all if it is rough at night. 1kt 24 NM 24 hours 2kt 48nm 3kt 72 NM 4kt 96nm 5kt 120 6kt 144 7kt 168
I'm with Scott
Buy what your wife likes. The scenario you offer has her boat in the middle of the equation anyway. Then you won't have to defend the choice. And you might even find her choice is better for you. Faster is better for most people most of the time. In any case, step back a moment and appreciate the fact she's even in the game. That alone should convince you to take her choice. Lucky guy.
Buy what your wife likes. The scenario you offer has her boat in the middle of the equation anyway. Then you won't have to defend the choice. And you might even find her choice is better for you. Faster is better for most people most of the time. In any case, step back a moment and appreciate the fact she's even in the game. That alone should convince you to take her choice. Lucky guy.
I too..
I too like the look of lots of wood above decks but on OPB's (other peoples boats) not mine. I'd rather be sailing than slaving...
I too like the look of lots of wood above decks but on OPB's (other peoples boats) not mine. I'd rather be sailing than slaving...
From a teak queen owner
Not all full keelers are slow. My Nassau 34 is 14250 #, so it is not a heavy weight, even though it looks like one. She is tough to handle under power, but a big 3 blade is a big help. Under sail the prop feathers and the full keel means a great handling boat that tracks great often sailing herself. Most of us who coastal cruise make short trips, so a slower boat means you spend 30 minutes longer on a passage - big deal. The wood is a maintenance issue, and if you don't want to spend the time, don't get it. I am retired, live close, and get out 3 or 4 days a week and still have time to do the maintenance so it works for me. The boat gets a lot of attention wherever I cruise so I end up meeting a lot of people who stop by to ask questions. She really is a good looking cutter and very comfortable. Hope a point of view from someone who owns one of those double enders will help.
Not all full keelers are slow. My Nassau 34 is 14250 #, so it is not a heavy weight, even though it looks like one. She is tough to handle under power, but a big 3 blade is a big help. Under sail the prop feathers and the full keel means a great handling boat that tracks great often sailing herself. Most of us who coastal cruise make short trips, so a slower boat means you spend 30 minutes longer on a passage - big deal. The wood is a maintenance issue, and if you don't want to spend the time, don't get it. I am retired, live close, and get out 3 or 4 days a week and still have time to do the maintenance so it works for me. The boat gets a lot of attention wherever I cruise so I end up meeting a lot of people who stop by to ask questions. She really is a good looking cutter and very comfortable. Hope a point of view from someone who owns one of those double enders will help.
TIme and weather
Some interesting comments about my post. I have to wonder how much of this it pure theory, and how much is actual experience talking. And are you guys talking about coastal, day sailing or some serious offshore stuff. In the past 18 months I have done 24 hours or more offshore in several boats. Sizes of boats involved are 28', 33',36',37' and 39 feet. By far the most comfortable and enjoyable of the lot, was Tampa to Houston in tonyb's Allied Mistress 39. This is a heavy, full keel, ketch rigged boat. It is a little slow, and it doesn't point real high, but when the seas kicked up to 8 and 10 feet, the cook was serving up things like shrimp scampi, and fresh dolphin fillets. MoonSailer, by your own post showing the time taken for different boat speeds, is there any boat big enough to be considered in this discussion that can't make 5 or 6 knots with a decent breeze. Figure this on a percentage, starting at 5 knots, and you will get a more realistic idea of time. I will never argue that a faster boat won't get you there quicker. But for me, I would rather take an extra ten hours getting from New Orleans to Key West, than to get there beat all to hell. Final thought, in the Gulf at least, a well planned route, with serious consideration given to the Gulf Loop currents, will get you where you want to go much faster than a boat capable of an extra knot or two of speed. Going straight across from Tampa last may, we got in that current, and by flogging the boat hard, we could make 1 to 2 knots. Ran that way all night one night. And OH YEAH don't know what you consider a smaller boat cdennyb, but I sail a Seidelman 37. And if I may say so myself, I sail it pretty good. Have put close to 3000 miles under her keel in the past ten months.
Some interesting comments about my post. I have to wonder how much of this it pure theory, and how much is actual experience talking. And are you guys talking about coastal, day sailing or some serious offshore stuff. In the past 18 months I have done 24 hours or more offshore in several boats. Sizes of boats involved are 28', 33',36',37' and 39 feet. By far the most comfortable and enjoyable of the lot, was Tampa to Houston in tonyb's Allied Mistress 39. This is a heavy, full keel, ketch rigged boat. It is a little slow, and it doesn't point real high, but when the seas kicked up to 8 and 10 feet, the cook was serving up things like shrimp scampi, and fresh dolphin fillets. MoonSailer, by your own post showing the time taken for different boat speeds, is there any boat big enough to be considered in this discussion that can't make 5 or 6 knots with a decent breeze. Figure this on a percentage, starting at 5 knots, and you will get a more realistic idea of time. I will never argue that a faster boat won't get you there quicker. But for me, I would rather take an extra ten hours getting from New Orleans to Key West, than to get there beat all to hell. Final thought, in the Gulf at least, a well planned route, with serious consideration given to the Gulf Loop currents, will get you where you want to go much faster than a boat capable of an extra knot or two of speed. Going straight across from Tampa last may, we got in that current, and by flogging the boat hard, we could make 1 to 2 knots. Ran that way all night one night. And OH YEAH don't know what you consider a smaller boat cdennyb, but I sail a Seidelman 37. And if I may say so myself, I sail it pretty good. Have put close to 3000 miles under her keel in the past ten months.
Don't be a fool
Let me get this right. The Admiral is OK with a new bigger boat and you are quibbling about what features to get?? Get what she wants and count your blessings! Read the posts on other forums about sailors who have to fight for sailing time. Get the boat she wants. You'll still enjoy it and you can do other people's teak as a side job.
Let me get this right. The Admiral is OK with a new bigger boat and you are quibbling about what features to get?? Get what she wants and count your blessings! Read the posts on other forums about sailors who have to fight for sailing time. Get the boat she wants. You'll still enjoy it and you can do other people's teak as a side job.
Balance
I think my boat is a great combination of all of the above. She has just enough teak on deck to break up the plastic(looks wise), she is very well outfitted with teak below in a spacious cabin. She is fast and I cannot believe how many people come over to say how pretty she is(thanks to Maine Sail she shines like a ruby!) Although Maine's boat is also very pretty. Tim R.
I think my boat is a great combination of all of the above. She has just enough teak on deck to break up the plastic(looks wise), she is very well outfitted with teak below in a spacious cabin. She is fast and I cannot believe how many people come over to say how pretty she is(thanks to Maine Sail she shines like a ruby!) Although Maine's boat is also very pretty. Tim R.
Dont know what the fuss is about the modern double
... enders. A lot of misperception is being offered. Most of the Robt. Perry designed ~40ft 'canoe stern' designs with split underbodies (long fin with skeg) average a respectable 135-140 PHRF. Thats Passports, Valiants, Tashibas, etc. Even the cutaway full keelers of this design (Tayana37, Baba40 etc.) will abe about 165. Most of these boats are radically overpowered (about 1100 sq. ft. for a Ty37 with Genoa and staysl under, etc.) as to sailplan which makes for good performance in light winds. On the otherhand a Westsail 32 has a PHRF of 222, now thats SLOW. The only downside is being moderate displacement hulls they dont 'accerate' out of a tack too well .... so you dont win tacking duels. Also, since these are cutter rigged, you *really* have to know how sail before to sail one of these as true cutter rigs are NOT for the novice who doesnt well understand sail shaping and gnats-ass sail trim. As regards exterior teak, if you you use one of the 'modern' 2 part urethane-acrylics you wont be doing other than a single days quick over-coat maintenance (scuff everything with a scotchbrite pad then slop on a quick coat of 'clear') as if applied correctly, these coatings will last upwards of 10-12 years --- "Honey Teak" and "Smith & Co. 5 Yr. Clear" would be examples of the 'moderns'. You'll do more 'maintenance' on a sterile Clorox bottle. If you want to compare (motion) comfort with the other 'numbers' go to: http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html .... and THEN if you're into frenetic coastal sailing go to a PHRF website and compare the 'around the buoys' performance numbers. http://www.phrfne.org/page/567 You can 'postulate' and misperceive all you want but the 'numbers' will speak for themselves ... and will show that most 'double enders' are NOT slouches. For me, give me a relatively good PHRF placed boat that has 'seakindliness' ..... If I want to race I'll take out a 'skimming dish' ILYA scow. BTW the wife chose a Ty37 and as a former balls-to-the-wall racers .... we quite enjoy the Tayana as we can sail for weeks on end without getting beat up or tired out - comfort AND 'motion comfort'. When we arrive we dont need to 'recover for a few days' and then get all our dental fillings replaced/refastened. If I NEED to get there FAST, I can rent a Donzi.
... enders. A lot of misperception is being offered. Most of the Robt. Perry designed ~40ft 'canoe stern' designs with split underbodies (long fin with skeg) average a respectable 135-140 PHRF. Thats Passports, Valiants, Tashibas, etc. Even the cutaway full keelers of this design (Tayana37, Baba40 etc.) will abe about 165. Most of these boats are radically overpowered (about 1100 sq. ft. for a Ty37 with Genoa and staysl under, etc.) as to sailplan which makes for good performance in light winds. On the otherhand a Westsail 32 has a PHRF of 222, now thats SLOW. The only downside is being moderate displacement hulls they dont 'accerate' out of a tack too well .... so you dont win tacking duels. Also, since these are cutter rigged, you *really* have to know how sail before to sail one of these as true cutter rigs are NOT for the novice who doesnt well understand sail shaping and gnats-ass sail trim. As regards exterior teak, if you you use one of the 'modern' 2 part urethane-acrylics you wont be doing other than a single days quick over-coat maintenance (scuff everything with a scotchbrite pad then slop on a quick coat of 'clear') as if applied correctly, these coatings will last upwards of 10-12 years --- "Honey Teak" and "Smith & Co. 5 Yr. Clear" would be examples of the 'moderns'. You'll do more 'maintenance' on a sterile Clorox bottle. If you want to compare (motion) comfort with the other 'numbers' go to: http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html .... and THEN if you're into frenetic coastal sailing go to a PHRF website and compare the 'around the buoys' performance numbers. http://www.phrfne.org/page/567 You can 'postulate' and misperceive all you want but the 'numbers' will speak for themselves ... and will show that most 'double enders' are NOT slouches. For me, give me a relatively good PHRF placed boat that has 'seakindliness' ..... If I want to race I'll take out a 'skimming dish' ILYA scow. BTW the wife chose a Ty37 and as a former balls-to-the-wall racers .... we quite enjoy the Tayana as we can sail for weeks on end without getting beat up or tired out - comfort AND 'motion comfort'. When we arrive we dont need to 'recover for a few days' and then get all our dental fillings replaced/refastened. If I NEED to get there FAST, I can rent a Donzi.
Listen to Naughtyduck....
..for 20 years we could never agree about buying a sailboat. When she gave me the green light I made sure she was part of the process. I wanted a "man's" boat...instead we bought the "girly" Hunter36 with the front loading fridge and the "dish dryer". Well, my wife now loves sailing and sometimes I have to hold her back about some of the places she wants to go. She wanted to take time off work (we both work together and self employed) to sail up the "horn of California" to Monterey. She sits around and reads Sail magazine....well you get the message...life is good. abe
..for 20 years we could never agree about buying a sailboat. When she gave me the green light I made sure she was part of the process. I wanted a "man's" boat...instead we bought the "girly" Hunter36 with the front loading fridge and the "dish dryer". Well, my wife now loves sailing and sometimes I have to hold her back about some of the places she wants to go. She wanted to take time off work (we both work together and self employed) to sail up the "horn of California" to Monterey. She sits around and reads Sail magazine....well you get the message...life is good. abe
Randy is the smart one...
When we decided to replace our H28 with a larger boat I wanted a H40.5. Then the admiral and I boarded a P42. Well, the orders were issued, if we're going to get a larger boat this is the one I want. I relented and after five years cruising with Belle-Vie the admiral had it right. We are very happy sailors! Terry
When we decided to replace our H28 with a larger boat I wanted a H40.5. Then the admiral and I boarded a P42. Well, the orders were issued, if we're going to get a larger boat this is the one I want. I relented and after five years cruising with Belle-Vie the admiral had it right. We are very happy sailors! Terry
Nice n Easy you and tonyb had a crew
Comfort is important and our Pearson 323 has a pretty good motion at sea. She is 12500#s which is moderate to heavy by today's standards. With 3 or more as crew time at sea isn't as important as when you are a sailing couple. But even with just a couple as crew you might be right. Getting beat up is no fun. I don't see a new boat any time soon so it isn't a issue for us right now. We would like a larger boat but haven't decided if it's worth the extra expense. Hell would be having the right boat but no money to go cruising. Our P323 is paid for and our house is almost paid for so we should have enough moeny to cruise. Right now we aren't ready to give up a land base so turning the house into boat money isn't an option. But if we go out cruising for 6 months or so and really like the experience the house could be turned into boat money. My dream boat is a Pacific Seacraft 37!!!! A Tayana 37 is a close second if the decks don't leak.
Comfort is important and our Pearson 323 has a pretty good motion at sea. She is 12500#s which is moderate to heavy by today's standards. With 3 or more as crew time at sea isn't as important as when you are a sailing couple. But even with just a couple as crew you might be right. Getting beat up is no fun. I don't see a new boat any time soon so it isn't a issue for us right now. We would like a larger boat but haven't decided if it's worth the extra expense. Hell would be having the right boat but no money to go cruising. Our P323 is paid for and our house is almost paid for so we should have enough moeny to cruise. Right now we aren't ready to give up a land base so turning the house into boat money isn't an option. But if we go out cruising for 6 months or so and really like the experience the house could be turned into boat money. My dream boat is a Pacific Seacraft 37!!!! A Tayana 37 is a close second if the decks don't leak.
Moonsailer .....
If you want 'nice' ... look at the new PacificSeacraft 38.5 that Bob Perry recently designed. Split underbody, maximized LWL, cutter rigged .... and with a 'generous' sail plan should be about 135 PHRF. .... and yes PSC is operating again after obtaining funding for their 'reorganization'. The PSC38.5 should help carry PSC back into the 'black'. The PSC 38.5 should be a boat to 'drool over'. Its focus seems to be a more than a modernization of the PSC37 in both interior space and performance. Bob Perry previewed the concept drawings on the Cruising Sailors Bullen Board a few months ago - if you search that BB archives you'll find it. A real SWEET boat. Cant wait to see one in person .... this boat probably will become the 'benchmark' for serious cruising. www.cs-bb.com/forums/csbbarchives3/index.cgi?read=70235,Pacific,Seacraft
If you want 'nice' ... look at the new PacificSeacraft 38.5 that Bob Perry recently designed. Split underbody, maximized LWL, cutter rigged .... and with a 'generous' sail plan should be about 135 PHRF. .... and yes PSC is operating again after obtaining funding for their 'reorganization'. The PSC38.5 should help carry PSC back into the 'black'. The PSC 38.5 should be a boat to 'drool over'. Its focus seems to be a more than a modernization of the PSC37 in both interior space and performance. Bob Perry previewed the concept drawings on the Cruising Sailors Bullen Board a few months ago - if you search that BB archives you'll find it. A real SWEET boat. Cant wait to see one in person .... this boat probably will become the 'benchmark' for serious cruising. www.cs-bb.com/forums/csbbarchives3/index.cgi?read=70235,Pacific,Seacraft
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