Pearson Ensign a good first boat (given context in the post)?

Jul 26, 2023
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Currently researching some possible options for my first boat, one of which is the Pearson Ensign. I’ve got my eye on one from a local seller and it seems to check all the boxes but there are a few items that are causing me to hesitate.

Here is our situation for context:
  • We expect the boat to be moored;
  • We will sail her in the bay primarily on day sails;
  • I will slum an overnight in the cockpit every now and then for some adventure;
  • We have a very young son who we’d want to take on our day sails (and maybe the dog too)
  • We live ~1.5 hrs from the marina and, in season, go out very often, sometimes for weeks at a time (have a house out there). However, on the edges of the season we go out less, let’s say every 3 weeks / 1x per month
  • Overall looking for something that’s fairly sturdy, reliable and can host friends when needed
Hoping to get some feedback from other owners in the following areas (or overall if there’s something I missed):
  • On longer day sails in the heat, would a little one be ok with a makeshift tent or should I be looking for a different boawith a cabin?
  • In the start/end of the seasons, assuming I have a boom tent and automatic bilge pump, is visiting the boat 1x/month asking for trouble given it’s not a self bailing cockpit?
Thanks so much in advance.
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Regarding heat… yYou can always check the wind forecast, and if you have a decent breeze over the evening the wind scoop on the bow can usually generate enough wind inside the cabin to keep everyone cool
 

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  • We have a very young son who we’d want to take on our day sails (and maybe the dog too)
  • We live ~1.5 hrs from the marina and, in season, go out very often, sometimes for weeks at a time (have a house out there). However, on the edges of the season we go out less, let’s say every 3 weeks / 1x per month
  • Overall looking for something that’s fairly sturdy, reliable and can host friends when needed
Are we to assume budget is no problem and your partner has no problem as you say
“slum an overnight in the cockpit every now and then for some adventure”
You’re looking at a classic day sailor. Water in the cockpit will let her deteriorate. A solid boom tent that will guarantee to shed water and a pump that never fails would be the only possible way to not find her under water after a month of being gone.
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Entertaining guests would be mostly sailing in a 1960’s designed one class day sailor. Not the typical sporty experience often desired. Maintenance on a pretty boat like the Ensign would require a bit of time to keep the bright work glowing.
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Overnighting would be spartan. Sleeping under the stars on a narrow plank cockpit seat, or in the 3.5ft tall curry space. None of the conveniences many who go yachting prefer.
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A miniature breed dog might be doable. A lab, labradoodle, or golden retriever sized dog would be a tiring workout.
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it is not the boat it is the dream of how you view yourself using it. When you step on the boat you need to picture yourself on the boat entertaining friends, taking care of your little one both healthy and seasick, visualizing the dog needing to go while at the same time your partner raising concerns. If the vessel can not adapt to these issues look for one that does, or settle for the dream that the boat can provide.

You can of it if it is what you truly desire. Your context raises questions in my mind.
 
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For the use and service you need, better find a well maintained later model Catalina 25, or something similar. A Cal 25-2 would be really good, too,
 
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The Ensign sails surprisingly well. It is forgiving - a sailing school on Block Island used them as trainers. But they didn't stay overnight on them. They have a large cockpit suitable for guests. But a kid, dog and two people is maxed out. I'm someone of the age that thinks Motel 6 is about as adventurous as I want to get.
The one I crewed on for one design racing was on a mooring. We had to bail it every week. It has a deep bilge that can hold a lot of rain water but to leave it for weeks you'll need a boom tent. Most boats that rely on an electric bilge pump to remove rain water do well until the pump kills the battery and then they swamp. Is there someone who can keep an eye on it?
 
Oct 1, 2007
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Currently researching some possible options for my first boat, one of which is the Pearson Ensign. I’ve got my eye on one from a local seller and it seems to check all the boxes but there are a few items that are causing me to hesitate.

Here is our situation for context:
  • We expect the boat to be moored;
  • We will sail her in the bay primarily on day sails;
  • I will slum an overnight in the cockpit every now and then for some adventure;
  • We have a very young son who we’d want to take on our day sails (and maybe the dog too)
  • We live ~1.5 hrs from the marina and, in season, go out very often, sometimes for weeks at a time (have a house out there). However, on the edges of the season we go out less, let’s say every 3 weeks / 1x per month
  • Overall looking for something that’s fairly sturdy, reliable and can host friends when needed
Hoping to get some feedback from other owners in the following areas (or overall if there’s something I missed):
  • On longer day sails in the heat, would a little one be ok with a makeshift tent or should I be looking for a different boawith a cabin?
  • In the start/end of the seasons, assuming I have a boom tent and automatic bilge pump, is visiting the boat 1x/month asking for trouble given it’s not a self bailing cockpit?
Thanks so much in advance.
I owned two Ensigns over time and really enjoyed them. The first one was my introduction to sailing, and I learned how to sail aboard her. Both of mine were used for fleet racing. It was great fun. I sailed them out of Newport. So here are a few points:
1. It is important to remember that this design is not self bailing. They can swamp but in all the years I sailed the Ensign, including heavy weather, I never saw one swamp. They come from the factory with positive flotation in the bow and stern. When you start looking at boats, be sure to check on the flotation. Since most of these boats are quite old it is especially important. Some guys remove the flotation (illegally in Ensign by laws for racing) but the flotation can retain water if the lockers leak, and be quite heavy. You can see the difference in the design water line.
2. The Ensign is really sweet sailing boat. They have a fractional rig so that for general fun day sailing you can carry a smaller jib and they will sail really well to windward rigged like that.
3. My boats were kept on moorings so they did retain rain water. I tried the battery and bilge pump approach but found it to be more trouble than it was worth. My approach was to have one crew bail the bilge out while the rest of us rigged the boat to sail. It really never became a big problem. The boom tent works well but if the boat is on a mooring boarding from the launch was just too much trouble so I never went that route. If you keep her at a dock, the boom tent is worth a look in my view.
4. I carried a 2 horse outboard which stowed in the cuddy cabin but I rarely used it other than getting back to the mooring after evening racing when the wind dropped.
5. The boat sails well in all winds and is quite stiff, once I learned how to trim the main and jib in a breeze.
6. The boat is quite heavy and has a keel stepped mast so trailering is out of the question other than stowage. I had trailers for both of my Ensigns and would haul and launch them using the yacht club lift.
7. These boats are ruggedly built, most of them during the heydays of Pearson Yachts.
8. Resale has always been easy if you buy in an area where there are fleets. I have been out of Ensigns for many years so I don't know whether there is still a national and local fleets. This is also worth a look.
9. After owning the Ensigns I went on to a Pearson 30, and then a Pearson 39 yawl. All rugged, well built, good sailing designs.
Finally, I will reemphasize what a great boat the Ensign is and how much enjoyment I had with two over a period of about 10 years.
Good luck in your search.
Rick
 
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Jul 26, 2023
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I owned two Ensigns over time and really enjoyed them. The first one was my introduction to sailing, and I learned how to sail aboard her. Both of mine were used for fleet racing. It was great fun. I sailed them out of Newport. So here are a few points:
1. It is important to remember that this design is not self bailing. They can swamp but in all the years I sailed the Ensign, including heavy weather, I never saw one swamp. They come from the factory with positive flotation in the bow and stern. When you start looking at boats, be sure to check on the flotation. Since most of these boats are quite old it is especially important. Some guys remove the flotation (illegally in Ensign by laws for racing) but the flotation can retain water if the lockers leak, and be quite heavy. You can see the difference in the design water line.
2. The Ensign is really sweet sailing boat. They have a fractional rig so that for general fun day sailing you can carry a smaller jib and they will sail really well to windward rigged like that.
3. My boats were kept on moorings so they did retain rain water. I tried the battery and bilge pump approach but found it to be more trouble than it was worth. My approach was to have one crew bail the bilge out while the rest of us rigged the boat to sail. It really never became a big problem. The boom tent works well but if the boat is on a mooring boarding from the launch was just too much trouble so I never went that route. If you keep her at a dock, the boom tent is worth a look in my view.
4. I carried a 2 horse outboard which stowed in the cuddy cabin but I rarely used it other than getting back to the mooring after evening racing when the wind dropped.
5. The boat sails well in all winds and is quite stiff, once I learned how to trim the main and jib in a breeze.
6. The boat is quite heavy and has a keel stepped mast so trailering is out of the question other than stowage. I had trailers for both of my Ensigns and would haul and launch them using the yacht club lift.
7. These boats are ruggedly built, most of them during the heydays of Pearson Yachts.
8. Resale has always been easy if you buy in an area where there are fleets. I have been out of Ensigns for many years so I don't know whether there is still a national and local fleets. This is also worth a look.
9. After owning the Ensigns I went on to a Pearson 30, and then a Pearson 39 yawl. All rugged, well built, good sailing designs.
Finally, I will reemphasize what a great boat the Ensign is and how much enjoyment I had with two over a period of about 10 years.
Good luck in your search.
Rick
Thanks for the detailed response, Rick. Would I be asking for trouble leaving it alone with a boom tent for a month at a time? As someone else suggested, maybe I can get someone to look after her for me, but probably at a cost.
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Currently researching some possible options for my first boat, ...
Revisiting this idea... and following up on what @jssailem said... I think we could be more helpful if we had a clearer idea of what you want the boat to do and how you plan to use it.. some questions might include

  1. Do you want the boat to be trailerable or will you keep it at a boat yard?
  2. How often will you sleep out on the boat? How many people do you hope to house on the boat?
  3. Do you plan to do much coastal cruising and if so, will you cook and eat on the boat? Or mostly go ashore for provisions?
  4. How comfortable is your crew using a port-a-potty or will you need an enclosed head?
  5. Is standing headroom a necessity?
 
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Revisiting this idea... and following up on what @jssailem said... I think we could be more helpful if we had a clearer idea of what you want the boat to do and how you plan to use it.. some questions might include

  1. Do you want the boat to be trailerable or will you keep it at a boat yard?
  2. How often will you sleep out on the boat? How many people do you hope to house on the boat?
  3. Do you plan to do much coastal cruising and if so, will you cook and eat on the boat? Or mostly go ashore for provisions?
  4. How comfortable is your crew using a port-a-potty or will you need an enclosed head?
  5. Is standing headroom a necessity?
Thanks! Here are some replies:
  1. I'd like it to be trailerable to store in a driveway during the winter but plan to keep it moored in-season (~1.5 hr drive from our permenant residence but close to a summer home). I don't see us towing the boat on small vacations right now.
  2. Not often and probably just me or maybe me and 1 other if we go with the Ensign. If we go with a boat with more berths I can see us doing a few weekend / overnight trips per season.
  3. No, not with this boat. This first boat is more of an educational experience to learn on and get the family used to sailing. If we want to graduate to cruising I'd expect to upgrade to a vessel with real berths.
  4. Probably not comfortable but I don't think we'll be cruising much. This will be day sailing where we will take the boat out to just sail for a while, drop an anchor to swim, or sail over to a restaurant / destination (or all three).
  5. Probably not for this first boat but if we do want to cruise I expect standing room to be necessary.
  6. Adding a number 6: I'd like to be able to solo the boat on the days where my wife doesn't want to sail or is busy.
With all of that said, if we went with a different boat (like a Cat 22 or Hunter 240, which we're looking at) we may try cruising and weekending a bit sooner. But I'm not sure it's a must for this first boat since my wife is very new to sailing.
 
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Good info...

So you mentioned swimming off of your boat... and solo sailing...so here are two more questions to help you narrow the field.

1) How important is swimming off the back? A boat that is easy to get into and out of might be the deciding factor
2) How important is the ease of the rig? Some of the cat rigged boats are supper simple to operate. You basically have only the mainsheet (and sometimes a traveler) to deal with.

Answer those two questions and you might start to narrow the field...

So I'd add to your list of boats to investigate...

  • Compac 16
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  • Compac sun cat...
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    This one is a cat boat w/easy sail controls.
  • Montgomery 15
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    ... also a cat boat with easy sail controls
  • Montgomery 17...
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  • Hunter 23.5
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    ... water ballast so very easy to tow. Cut out transom so easy to swim off of.
  • Hunter 22...
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    ... also has a cut out transom so easy to swim off of.
  • Catalina 22 sport...
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    ... a traditional pocket cruiser... still in production.
  • My Favorite... The Rhodes 22...
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    ... a very large 22' boat.
  • West Wright Potter 19...
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    ... tried and tested pocket cruiser.

You might also find this article interesting.

 
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Oct 22, 2014
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All of these boat in a size less than 30ft are easy to sail solo. With skill you can likely solo sail a boat into the 36ft range. The issue I see in bigger boats is the weight of the sails and the hardware needed to manage them.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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I trailered and sailed the Montgomery 15 for 18 years. Terrific boat, very easy to solo sail a bit small for your use.

I would look to the Rhodes, Hunter, or Catalina 22's as a great first boat option, for the conditions you have identified.
 
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Unless you really want to shop for options, the Ensign that is yours to be had sounds like an excellent choice, assuming that it is in good condition. Based on your situation, it sounds like a solid daysailer is a good choice. You & family will learn everything you need to know about sailing. The comforts of a pocket cruiser don't seem to be needed. When you're hooked on sailing as a lifestyle, then you will be ready to look for something different. It is difficult and an adjustment to leave the comfort and easy lifestyle of a readily accessible summer/vacation home in contrast to a cruising sailboat. Your family may not be agreeable until they are hooked on a sailing lifestyle. I've found that you can't really do both, unless your life is entirely leisure and money affords!
 
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Thanks for the detailed response, Rick. Would I be asking for trouble leaving it alone with a boom tent for a month at a time? As someone else suggested, maybe I can get someone to look after her for me, but probably at a cost.
I don't know how to answer that other than to say I personally have never left a boat I owned from Ensign to Hunter 44 unattended for periods like that.
 
Jul 26, 2023
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Good info...

So you mentioned swimming off of your boat... and solo sailing...so here are two more questions to help you narrow the field.

1) How important is swimming off the back? A boat that is easy to get into and out of might be the deciding factor
2) How important is the ease of the rig? Some of the cat rigged boats are supper simple to operate. You basically have only the mainsheet (and sometimes a traveler) to deal with.

Answer those two questions and you might start to narrow the field...

So I'd add to your list of boats to investigate...


You might also find this article interesting.

Thanks for the list and the questions:
  1. Very. I expect the majority of the summer sail's (with the family) to include a swim in the bay. Was thinking of getting a ladder that could go over the side of the ensign? Or would you recommend getting a boat specifically designed with an open transom / ladder? I looked at a Hunter 240 yesterday, which has a built in ladder on the transom, and really liked it but wasn't ready to pull the trigger. I took her for a test sail and she seemed much lighter compared to the ensign. It was a light day and we even had trouble swinging her bow through the wind on a tack (just the mainsail was used). So I was hesitant in that regard as well;
  2. I'd say it's important-ish. The ensign had an easy enough rig for me to handle (albeit, actively) with the main and jib I think.
I'll look at some of the other boats you've mentioned but I think the Catalina 22 and the Hunter 240 are strong contenders if I'm not going to take the ensign. As @Scott T-Bird mentioned, the ensign is readily available right now so I'm trying to determine if these things are worth a full search or if the ensign will fit for these purposes (with some compromises).

I don't expect this first boat to be a forever boat. Perhaps 5 years or less. I'm aiming to learn, get the family used to sailing, and figuring out what we actually want/need.
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Unless you really want to shop for options, the Ensign that is yours to be had sounds like an excellent choice, assuming that it is in good condition. Based on your situation, it sounds like a solid daysailer is a good choice. You & family will learn everything you need to know about sailing. The comforts of a pocket cruiser don't seem to be needed. When you're hooked on sailing as a lifestyle, then you will be ready to look for something different. It is difficult and an adjustment to leave the comfort and easy lifestyle of a readily accessible summer/vacation home in contrast to a cruising sailboat. Your family may not be agreeable until they are hooked on a sailing lifestyle. I've found that you can't really do both, unless your life is entirely leisure and money affords!
I agree with @Scott T-Bird about the Ensign fulfilling your current sailing goals... but without a self bailing cockpit, I don't think it is a good choice to keep on a morring.
 
Jul 26, 2023
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I agree with @Scott T-Bird about the Ensign fulfilling your current sailing goals... but without a self bailing cockpit, I don't think it is a good choice to keep on a morring.
Does that mean you are recommending a slip or using a lift for every sail? Unfortunately I don't think I have access to a slip (all have waiting lists).
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Thanks for the list and the questions:
  1. Very. I expect the majority of the summer sail's (with the family) to include a swim in the bay. Was thinking of getting a ladder that could go over the side of the ensign? Or would you recommend getting a boat specifically designed with an open transom / ladder? I looked at a Hunter 240 yesterday, which has a built in ladder on the transom, and really liked it but wasn't ready to pull the trigger. I took her for a test sail and she seemed much lighter compared to the ensign. It was a light day and we even had trouble swinging her bow through the wind on a tack (just the mainsail was used). So I was hesitant in that regard as well;
  2. I'd say it's important-ish. The ensign had an easy enough rig for me to handle (albeit, actively) with the main and jib I think.
I'll look at some of the other boats you've mentioned but I think the Catalina 22 and the Hunter 240 are strong contenders if I'm not going to take the ensign. As @Scott T-Bird mentioned, the ensign is readily available right now so I'm trying to determine if these things are worth a full search or if the ensign will fit for these purposes (with some compromises).

I don't expect this first boat to be a forever boat. Perhaps 5 years or less. I'm aiming to learn, get the family used to sailing, and figuring out what we actually want/need.
The Hunter 23.5 and 240 are both water ballast boats. They sail very differently than traditionally ballasted boats. I have owned a lot of different boats over the years including a Hunter 26 (also water ballast). You have to learn how to trim your sails differently to get the water ballast boats to sail well. And the B&R rigs on those boats have a very large main... if the main is even slightly blown out... the entire sail balance is FUBAR. The 240 is a great cruising boat but if you don't like how the one you were sailing sails... it probably needs a new main and that is going to cost you.

Regarding your question about a swim ladder... my experience has been that you want a ladder that goes at least 2 feet below the water's surface... These are commercially available and I'd spring for the longest ladder you can afford and have room to stow. When you are in the water, only your head and chest are above the surface... so even if the ladder extends down a two feet, you still have to bring a foot up past your belly button and then find the strength to push yourself up from that position...if the ladder is shorter, then you have to even more trouble getting your foot on the bottom rung...and then you need a good handle at about 3" above eye level FROM THE WATER. Rope swim ladders are very hard to use unless you have very good core strength.

I really liked the cut out swim ladder on my H26.
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Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Does that mean you are recommending a slip or using a lift for every sail? Unfortunately I don't think I have access to a slip (all have waiting lists).
I'm saying that you need to figure out how to remove water from your boat if you are going to leave it on a mooring ball.
 
Jul 26, 2023
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I'm saying that you need to figure out how to remove water from your boat if you are going to leave it on a mooring ball.
Gotcha. Thank you, makes sense! :)

Re: 240. The main sail looked quite new (virtually unused). When you say that I'd need a new main sail, are you referring to purchasing a different type of main sail? or just replacing the existing one?