Panta Rhei project continues

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Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
My plan was that my to do list was going to get shrink over the winter. Unfortunately, It grew exponentially.
The Marina (not boatyard) service group was to replace the cutlass bearing while it was on the hard. First thing they did was break the shaft at the threads trying to get the prop off. The Marina manager and I decided to move the boat to a real boatyard since his crew messed up at step one of a now difficult project. They are footing the bill to take down and disassemble the mast, and haul the boat 30 miles north. I will get the the bill for everything else. I could make a fuss and have them pay so more but I'm actually benefiting from this.

How could this be???

Let me explain from the point I left off last fall (O'day 39 project boat) http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=132435&page=11

My plan was to get the boat in the water las t fall so I could check the engine, transmission , etc. I knew it needed a cutlass bearing so I thought it wise to check out the drive system so I could take care of anything discovered when the Cutlass bearing repair was made.

I thought it a decent plan. Actually a rather good plan at least in my mind. It started to fall apart somewhat as the boat was picked up to be hauled to Lake Michigan. The driver showed up all alone. He easily picked up the boat but had no chance lifting the 300 lb mast. It took a fork lift and my time that I expected to use seating the mast collar was taken helping out loading the mast.
The boat arrived at the marina and all went well rigging the boat. Checking everything out, I found the radio not picking up a signal. Likely from the the antenna not being disassembled and reassembled correctly. (removal was needed to stay under length limit). The mast collar job I did leaked.
I could rewire the mast, and attempt to re-seat the mast collar with the mast up but I knew that was not the right thing to do.
I powered the boat up one afternoon and put some time on it staying very close to the marina and keeping a gallon of diesel on board expecting fuel problems from being out of the water for two years. (I had run the engine on the hard but stirring up the tank could have brought up some sludge) All went well. There was some vibration from the drive train at full throttle but it powered very well at cruising speed. I was happy, replace the cutlass and I was ready to for this season. The engine wiring was a bit of a mess so I had the service crew rewire it. This was just the engine controls. I could have done this myself but I was right up the mechanics alley as I had seen his wiring jobs on other boats.
So I received the call a few weeks ago with the bad news. It first started with (we discovered that your shaft is about he break at the threads but quickly turned into "we have some responsibility in this") The problem is the rudder must be removed to replace the shaft. The marina does not have a travel lift since it uses a truck to pick-up the boats and launch them. This and the need for a more experienced repair crew we needed to go north 30 miles to Manitowoc marina. This between Milwaukee and Green Bay in a area of heavy ship building. These guys are pros. I was torn between slipping my boat the Sheboygan marina with a pool , fantastic Kohler Golf courses (Whistling straights and two others of equal quality) and many restaurants along the river adjacent to the marina and Manitowoc marina, much smaller and little to do near by and another 30 miles farther from my home.
It's coming at a price but I now get the best of both. We will put the boat in at the boat yard and spend a week doing sea trials sailing and powering with the rigging service and the diesel and power train mechanics nearby and then sail it south to the Sheboygan marina.

I will replace the bronze shaft with a stainless one. My buddy with an O'day 39 one serial number higher tells me that the shaft should be replaced anyway since it is likely very worn at the packing seal and the cutlass bearing. I will also go with a packless seal. (anyone have a suggested brand or suggestion?)

The rudder bearing will be inspected while the rudder is out. Looking back, I should have had this done anyway.

Lesson learned, Take your time getting your project boat back in the water. Joe, (25 years later ) made the right decision putting off the splash until this spring.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
I am in the same boat Todd. The anxiety of waiting is a killer. My only barrier to launch is the unseasonably cold weather. An engine full of fresh water looks like a recipe for a busted block. Hope everything works out for you. Of course emergpa1 is tormenting me on Facebook with his pictures of sailing. Some guys love to rub it in.;)
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
I'm sitting here in Wisconsin remembering a year ago when it was 80 deg. It's now 10. It's got me thinking about installing refrigeration in the starboard side ice box. I'm torn between adding refrigeration to the existing top opening icebox and a side opening refrigerator. The top opening would loose less heat when opened but loose some if you had to take items out to dig to the bottom. The side opening unit would spill cold immediately but might have better seals and insulation. Who's got some experience with this??
 
May 16, 2011
140
Oday 28 Niceville, FL
Don't feel bad. I'm in the Florida panhandle and its still chilly here. When its warm its raining, when its sunny its cold. My father in law has reminded me how the weather is in the Bahamas. He's been cruising since November
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
New refrigerator

My boat was first purchased and spec'ed out for a charter fleet in the virgin islands. The nav station was replaced with another Ice box and bar above.
We decided to replace it with a front loading refrigerator. The door will open to port. Not ideal. Certainly not if you are sailing on a starboard tack. We plan to use this exclusively for food so the beverages will be in the top loading Ice box. I can easy the sheets a bit if Susan is making lunch below but this should be seldom as we decided at the start that Panta Rhei was to be converted to a more modern design intended to be used down below only at anchor or in her slip.


I checked out many units even a few Walmart dorm room units I could run off the inverter. I decided against them as I was unsure of there functioning when the boat was heeled as well as the higher power draw and noise. I had many second thoughts since they are VERY cheap!!

I settled on the latest model Norcold at 3.0 CU FT. This unit is much more space efficient fitting in the same cutout as an older 2.4. It uses a danfoss BD35 compressor that is said to be very efficient and quiet and will run at a 30Deg angle. (we will soon see) 3.0 CU FT. is a lot of room just for food.

Our galley is set-up mirror finish stainless. I did not want to pay the extra 75$ for the mirror finish insert and silver plastic frame so I purchased a 22gage sheet of mirror finish Stainless and sheered it at the factory where I rebuild the boat. I think it looks better, I must admit that I saved very little money
I attached a photo of the unit. You can decide if it was worth it.

I hope to install it soon if spring ever arrives. Anyone have any tips on installing these things?

As for Spring , Joe, this is all my fault. I have on my winter list to get registration for the sailboat and the two inflatables. I finally got them yesterday. It's likely the reason spring has been delayed (yes, it appears that the whole world evolves around Wisconsin boat registration)



Onward to spring!!!
 

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Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
I am culpable in the delayed spring as well. I got the new stays, lifelines, registration and batteries. I also have everybody and their brother ready to move and launch. I will have to update the And so it begins thread at some point.
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
18" of ice in the marina. It's going to be awhile.

Joe.. What's your timeline?
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
I'm making room for the refrigerator by cutting the into the side of the starboard icebox. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it had a full 3-1/2" of foam insulation.
These iceboxes are much better than similar boats back in the 80's.

Joe, are you watching the forecast for the 19th yet? Not that anything is going to stop you.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Got my eye on the sky so to speak. I also have my little electric heater if things turn to phooey. Putting the wax to her this week. A bit more teak oil this weekend. Then load her with anchors, raingear, etc, etc, etc. I expect no quarter and none shall be given at this point. Baring any iceage or something all systems are go. Of course if N. Korea nukes us all bets are off, but that is fairly unlikely.
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
Great info!!

I did this job last year on my O'day 35.
You can read all the gory details here: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-maintenance/80089-contemplating-drive-line-overhaul.html

Replacing the shaft is a no-brainer, as is outlined in the thread.
I'm reading your thread on my phone so I may have missed a few things but I have a few comments:

Time and Time again I am amazed how similar these boats are. Henry Ford would have been proud of the O'day group.

The discussion on your thread gives me great confidence in Manitowac marina's capabilities and recommendations. I had the very same engine mount discussion. Maybe I missed it but what was the total tab for the job? I also noticed a discussion on the need to drop the rudder. Was that required on your boat? It looks like I have no choice.

Thanks for the post. Very good information.
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
Spring has arrived!!!

Spring is just a few hundred miles west of Joe. It should arrive just in time for YOT's launch on Friday.

I worked Sunday on an electrical problem that was puzzling me all winter. The Xantrex inverter worked great when the boat was on the hard here in Lake Mills and in the water in Sheboygan but when the boat was pulled and I used power that was protected by a ground fault interrupter , it tripped it as soon as it was plugged in. I traced it to the inverter so I got a new one thanks to the extended warranty on my Credit card. It did the exact same thing with the new unit. I finally found the problem. The joy in finally solving the problem was every bit a intense as the pain experienced as I repeatedly failed to diagnose the problem correctly. After testing the system out completely with a space heater and vacuum cleaner connected at the same time, I walked over to the pier and checked out my new slip. Made my plans for coming in and going out. It's as easy as it could be. I have straight shot from the corner of the breakwall at the entrance to the slip. The fairway is 200 feet wide.
It was then when it hit me. The trouble shooting success, winter chores complete, seeing Panta Rhei's new home. Wow what a feeling. I came home and told my wife I need just two or three more days like this and we can sell the boat. I'll have the fix I have been after.

At $300, the Xantrex 1800 is ideal for simple power needs on these older boats. You hook it inline with the shore power. Shore power passes through and the unit kicks in automatically should you unplug. It provides digital readout of the battery bank's charge status. I augmented a 300 foot AC run when the boat was on the hard for refurbishing. It brought the voltage back up to spec after the power loss from the long run. Some of my tools would not run properly without this boost. Best $300 I could have spent.

Don't swim in fresh water marinas!!! My boat was in the water just a few days in late fall. I had a short between the ground and the neutral lead. Had I lost ground on my boat the current would have traveled to my neighbor. Anyone swimming nearby would have been in danger. The problem is that my electrical functioned fine. I had no warning. I'll be checking this yearly from now on.
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
Fridge is in

I installed the fridge. It went in very easy but of course it is 38 Deg. Let's see how it does when (if ) summer comes.

It's a 3.0 norcold. It is designed to fit in the cutout of the old 2.3 Cu-Ft model.

I mounted it in place of the old icebox on the starboard side. This boat was sold into the Caribbean charter fleet. It had a bar/icebox in place of the nav station. Who navigated down there anyway. Just have another drink and find out where we land. It actually works out well now that chartplotters are the norm.
The fridge does not take up the hole icebox. I plan on putting paper charts and chartkits in there as I think it will be very dry.
You will notice in the photos with the door open that I need a piece of trim at the bottom. I'll have the guys bend one up at the shop. I may call Norcold and see if they have a solution. This area is very critical as the fan draws cool air in at the bottom left and blows it out the bottom right.

It super quiet but it is surrounded by 3.5" of the old icebox foam.

I intend to use this for food and use the other icebox on the port side for drinks and snack while we are underway. This should keep the fridge closed as much as possible.

I'm hoping my wind generator can keep up with it.

I added a photo of the port side as well.

The unit came in all black I had a mirror finish SS panel cut for it. It fits the rest of the galley.
 

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May 30, 2006
354
Oday 34 Chesapeake Bay
Nuts, hadn't considered installing a fridge until your post as I couldn't figure where to install it. Under the nav table. That's a great place to consider. I never use the table either, except to store things.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Amazing how similar the different boats are. My galley looks exactly like yours.
SailingCal21, how about remove the stove, and put the fridge there then on top of the fridge install a 2 burner Origo and eliminate the propane? I've been thinking about putting a microwave under there and an Origo on top. I never use the oven on the boat so it is just a waste of space. A microwave is great for heating water for coffee.
I need to either replace the propane system or install a new system as the electric shut off valve still works but the mounting is rotted out. A new electric valve is quite pricy and at 28 years probably time to replace all the hoses, regulator, and wiring. An origo stove/oven is about 1600.00 bucks but eliminates all the other installation expenses for propane.
I know a guy that had to run his engine all the time to keep up with his fridge, but after installing a wind generator had no problem, so Panta, you should be OK. By the way how does that fridge door latch? What keeps it shut and the contents from going all over when heeled at about 30 degrees or so?
 
Nov 3, 2010
564
Oday 39 Lake mills WI
Jibes/Sailing Cal

Yes, these O'days are all very similar regardless of the length. My Norcold has a center handle/latch but it would be difficult to deal with when on a starboard tack. Ideally, the fridge should open either forward or to the stern. Too bad I missed my chance to design this boat back in the 80's.
I decided last year that I would depart from the original design that kept the interiors very tight and many many hand holds. This is great when down below while under way. Modern sailboats are much more open and really not very safe down below when sailing (IMO). My boat is about half way between the two designs. I removed the hand holds behind the salon benches and the stainless rails from the galley counter to the salon roof. I plan to sail the boat like a modern boat . Sail to where you want to go and then drop the hook for lunch. Time will tell if I made a mistake.
I spent a lot of time thinking about he fridge options. A Walmart fridge is 10% of the cost. It would require an inverter but that's just $300 for 1800 watts. There are electronic units that do not have freezers and are much more quit than compressor models. Again, these units are down right cheap.

Lot's of options. It came down to our sail plan. We will be doing the great circle for the most part. Anchoring out when we can, marinas when we can't.
We eat fresh food and plan on hunting down farmers markets along the way. We need a good fridge but won't be cooking while underway. There is no question, I have put nearly all refurb money into the galley. I know the one person whom I must go to to have my sailing plans approved.
 

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May 30, 2006
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Oday 34 Chesapeake Bay
Karma doesn't have an oven or propane, she still has an original Princess pressured alcohol stove top. Works ok, but is quite exciting to get fired up. I've started to consider installing an overhead shelf above the sinks to increase storage for dishes. I have my microwave in the aft side of the galley between the electrical panel and aft ice box. It's in a good location and out of the way.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
How did you mount your microwave in there without letting it just slide around? Most of the microwaves have the door the full height of the front, did you screw it to the counter top somehow?
 
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