67% of responding Hunter owners would trade storage space for greater fresh water capacity, according to last week's Quick Quiz. Where would you put the tanks? What kind of storage would you give up? And what are you using all that water for?
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Sacrifice wrap-around dinette for more storage ?
I think this question of the week was badly posed. Many Hunters have an interior design that forces compromises with regard to BOTH storage and tankage. Why not have an interior that gives more tankage, and MUCH more storage, at the expense of never used berths and rarely used dining space? How often do you served eight on your boat? How often have you slept more than four? If the answers are "once" and "twice," then maybe it make sense for the designer to give up the huge U-shaped dinette, bring the settees closer to center line, and build more storage behind them? Maybe instead of a double berth both in the V-berth AND aft, Hunter should offer layouts that have one OR the other, putting a work area in the other end of the boat? Those are better questions, it seems to me, than "storage or tankage?"
I think this question of the week was badly posed. Many Hunters have an interior design that forces compromises with regard to BOTH storage and tankage. Why not have an interior that gives more tankage, and MUCH more storage, at the expense of never used berths and rarely used dining space? How often do you served eight on your boat? How often have you slept more than four? If the answers are "once" and "twice," then maybe it make sense for the designer to give up the huge U-shaped dinette, bring the settees closer to center line, and build more storage behind them? Maybe instead of a double berth both in the V-berth AND aft, Hunter should offer layouts that have one OR the other, putting a work area in the other end of the boat? Those are better questions, it seems to me, than "storage or tankage?"
General purpose storage vs. dedicated tankage
It seems to me that with the advent of light weight plastic water bottles (I can buy 1.5 liter bottles of spring water at the local "warehouse club" store for less than $1 each), general purpose storage would be more useful than additional tankage. My H30 already has 37 gal water tank, more than I need for most cruising that the boat is otherwise suitable for. If I wanted more water, I could store bottles of clean fresh spring water (much nicer than the stale, smelly --even with chlorine-- stuff that comes out of the tank). When I didn't need the extra water, I could put other useful gear in lockers that I couldn't put into a tank.
It seems to me that with the advent of light weight plastic water bottles (I can buy 1.5 liter bottles of spring water at the local "warehouse club" store for less than $1 each), general purpose storage would be more useful than additional tankage. My H30 already has 37 gal water tank, more than I need for most cruising that the boat is otherwise suitable for. If I wanted more water, I could store bottles of clean fresh spring water (much nicer than the stale, smelly --even with chlorine-- stuff that comes out of the tank). When I didn't need the extra water, I could put other useful gear in lockers that I couldn't put into a tank.
I think you answer is badly posed
Well, rudely anyway. First, if you have some really good quiz questions in your storage bins there is a very easy mechanism with which you can submit them to us. We use most of what we get. And, if you're going to write a provacative post, why not muster up the courage to sign your name to it? . While I agree that your issue is valid, it really has nothing to do with the question posed this week. Perhaps we'll use yours some other week. Oh... and BTW, I've served 8 people many times on my boats and appreciate the larger table. It's one of the reasons I've owned Hunters. If you want small accomodations and more storage, you may want to consider a brand that incorpates that design. ph.
Well, rudely anyway. First, if you have some really good quiz questions in your storage bins there is a very easy mechanism with which you can submit them to us. We use most of what we get. And, if you're going to write a provacative post, why not muster up the courage to sign your name to it? . While I agree that your issue is valid, it really has nothing to do with the question posed this week. Perhaps we'll use yours some other week. Oh... and BTW, I've served 8 people many times on my boats and appreciate the larger table. It's one of the reasons I've owned Hunters. If you want small accomodations and more storage, you may want to consider a brand that incorpates that design. ph.
THAT is an interesting question
Phil, I was not meaning to offend, just offering what I would give up for storage. I should have rewritten the title, because I certainly meant no slight to you. Your response contains an interesting question or two. (a) What is the greatest number of people who have sat down to dinner inside your cabin? (b) What is the greatest number of people who have spent the night on your boat? It would be interesting to see how these percentages break down. (Ideally, by boat size, but that gets complex.)
Phil, I was not meaning to offend, just offering what I would give up for storage. I should have rewritten the title, because I certainly meant no slight to you. Your response contains an interesting question or two. (a) What is the greatest number of people who have sat down to dinner inside your cabin? (b) What is the greatest number of people who have spent the night on your boat? It would be interesting to see how these percentages break down. (Ideally, by boat size, but that gets complex.)
If you recommissioned your tank annually...
according to the directions in the article "Fresh Water Maintenance" in the Head Mistress forum you: a) wouldn't need to add chlorine (bleach) to every fill--which is a waste of effort anyway because cholorine doesn't last longer than 24 hours as an effective anti-bacterial treatment...b) your onboard water wouldn't taste or smell like an over-chlorinated swimming pool...and c) would have more storage because you'd have no need to store bottled water.
according to the directions in the article "Fresh Water Maintenance" in the Head Mistress forum you: a) wouldn't need to add chlorine (bleach) to every fill--which is a waste of effort anyway because cholorine doesn't last longer than 24 hours as an effective anti-bacterial treatment...b) your onboard water wouldn't taste or smell like an over-chlorinated swimming pool...and c) would have more storage because you'd have no need to store bottled water.
Peggie, if chlorine expires after 24 hours ..?
What should one do after picking up water of unknown sanitation at Montezuma's Marina in Backwater, Erewhon? Does the usual chlorine dose do such a wonderful job in its effective 24 hours that by then all the really nasty microbes are goners? And for that matter, what keeps nasties from growing in our own local water tanks? Do they add chlorine every 24 hours?
What should one do after picking up water of unknown sanitation at Montezuma's Marina in Backwater, Erewhon? Does the usual chlorine dose do such a wonderful job in its effective 24 hours that by then all the really nasty microbes are goners? And for that matter, what keeps nasties from growing in our own local water tanks? Do they add chlorine every 24 hours?
No offense taken
I'd like to know the answers to those questions, too. To keep the formatting simple we always do a Yes/No question, or no more than two choices if multiple choice. This eliminates any cross-tab options but keeps it the whole process very simple. What we need is some kind of simple formula, like... "Divide your boat length by five. Have you served a meal to more people than this on your boat?" It's kinda complicated but it would take the LOA skew out of the results.
I'd like to know the answers to those questions, too. To keep the formatting simple we always do a Yes/No question, or no more than two choices if multiple choice. This eliminates any cross-tab options but keeps it the whole process very simple. What we need is some kind of simple formula, like... "Divide your boat length by five. Have you served a meal to more people than this on your boat?" It's kinda complicated but it would take the LOA skew out of the results.
Don't need no more water
Our boat carries 200 gallons of water, which is good. Unfortunetly it's in 5 different tanks. They range in size from 66 gal forward down to 20 something (I don't remember the exact sizes yet) under the sole. Combine that with tank guages that don't work yet and it seems I always get the shower that runs out of water. Haven't tried this yet but if you open the manifolds for two tanks of diffent capacities will the pump suck air when the smaller of the two runs out? or will it continue to draw from the tank that still has water in it? Perhaps a dumb question, but haven't tried it yet. MPJ
Our boat carries 200 gallons of water, which is good. Unfortunetly it's in 5 different tanks. They range in size from 66 gal forward down to 20 something (I don't remember the exact sizes yet) under the sole. Combine that with tank guages that don't work yet and it seems I always get the shower that runs out of water. Haven't tried this yet but if you open the manifolds for two tanks of diffent capacities will the pump suck air when the smaller of the two runs out? or will it continue to draw from the tank that still has water in it? Perhaps a dumb question, but haven't tried it yet. MPJ
Water in Nowhere Bay, Erehwon out of my range
Suspect water taken on in foreign needs purification...bleach--at least not in quantities that you could stand to carry--won't do it. There are companies who sell water purification kits...some advertise on the net...they're at shows like Annapolis...and they can advise you...but we don't get into it...I pay enough already for liability insurance! Water taken on from any municipal water supply or well approved for potable water supply in the US needs no purifying...the system only needs to be purged of life-forms that, while non-harmful, can make the onboard water smell and taste foul. Our recommended "Fresh Water Maintenance" does a fine job of that, but should not be considered purification.
Suspect water taken on in foreign needs purification...bleach--at least not in quantities that you could stand to carry--won't do it. There are companies who sell water purification kits...some advertise on the net...they're at shows like Annapolis...and they can advise you...but we don't get into it...I pay enough already for liability insurance! Water taken on from any municipal water supply or well approved for potable water supply in the US needs no purifying...the system only needs to be purged of life-forms that, while non-harmful, can make the onboard water smell and taste foul. Our recommended "Fresh Water Maintenance" does a fine job of that, but should not be considered purification.
Plenty of storage and water
Our 29.5 has adequate storage and water - what it really needs is a larger holding tank. Can't pumpout each week. I'd sacrifice a lot of storage for a larger holding tank.
Our 29.5 has adequate storage and water - what it really needs is a larger holding tank. Can't pumpout each week. I'd sacrifice a lot of storage for a larger holding tank.
3 Kinds of Water
1) The water we float in; 2) the water in the bow tank on our H27, which is used for washing and flushing; and 3) the water in our 2-gal. folding containers, which we use for drinking and cooking. We put 5-7 of these on board at the beginning of this season, and have not run out. Thus, plenty of all three types of water! All praise to my wife Deb for this brainy solution. PS--Oh yes--have had to refill bow tank once this summer, and Lake Michigan is almost 2 ft. lower this summer, so maybe I exaggerated a little bit.
1) The water we float in; 2) the water in the bow tank on our H27, which is used for washing and flushing; and 3) the water in our 2-gal. folding containers, which we use for drinking and cooking. We put 5-7 of these on board at the beginning of this season, and have not run out. Thus, plenty of all three types of water! All praise to my wife Deb for this brainy solution. PS--Oh yes--have had to refill bow tank once this summer, and Lake Michigan is almost 2 ft. lower this summer, so maybe I exaggerated a little bit.
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