outboard HP

Apr 26, 2010
434
catalina 22 lake tillery NC
It's been along time since I have been on here. I am sure this has popped up before but my question is this.. What is the smallest HP motor you have used or seen used on our cat 22 ? I use my boat on a lake with no current and have a 6hp 2 stroke now but I only run it about 1/4 throttle. I want to buy a 4 stroke new but do I need that much power and added wait ? Any replies would be great thank you all. Alan
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
personally, I would stick with the 6hp, but on a lake in smooth calm water a 2hp would work for you... a 4stroke motor will be better in almost every way, but you will notice a bit of top end performance loss.
it is also my opinion that a 6hp and larger motors are built to a tougher standard and may be a bit more dependable than the "baby" motors are.
as for running at quarter throttle, thats good, as a larger motor running easy is much more efficient than a small motor running hard in an attempt to create the same power output.... equates to fuel and maintenance savings as well as motor longevity.
 
Apr 26, 2010
434
catalina 22 lake tillery NC
Great point I hadn't thought about running a smaller motor harder I'm kinda tiered of the smoke and smell of a 2 stroke and maybe cutting the cost of new 4 stroke by going smaller.
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
I have always used the old rule of "its better to have more and not need it, rather than, need more and not have it" when making decisions similar to the one you are up against... but then this rule applies to most good things in life, such as women, whiskey, money, speed, power, time... and boats in general.... its always better to have more than less. can anyone disagree? :biggrin::biggrin:
 

RussC

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Sep 11, 2015
1,591
Merit 22- Oregon lakes
for putting to and from a dock on a lake a 2 hp would be plenty, in fact we use a Minn Kota electric on our Vic 18 and it works great. what I hate about the really small gas engines is that many don't have neutral or reverse. you start it, it goes. reverse is achieved by spinning the motor around, which is a big PITA. 4 hp is about as small as I've seen with shift, so that's what I'd use for a C22 on a lake.
 
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Oct 26, 2010
2,013
Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
it is also my opinion that a 6hp and larger motors are built to a tougher standard and may be a bit more dependable than the "baby" motors are.
Just for the record - The 4 stroke Nissan 6HP is the exact same engine as the Nissan 4HP. The only difference is the carb. You can buy a 6HP carb for a 4HP Nissan and turn it into a 6HP. You may get a little better thrust with a different prop but I'm not sure about that aspect. I can't understand why they charge so much more for the 6HP since they both have to have a carb and I know for a fact that the 6HP carb is only a few dollars more than the 4HP (maybe even the same price $100 plus or minus for a brand new one.)
 
Apr 26, 2010
434
catalina 22 lake tillery NC
My 1993 evinrude was giving me some low end trouble but is fine now. I have an electric for back up but never used it I have to try when I put it back in. But my twin 2 stroke is a bit louder than I want also there are many times as many of you know that the wind will just die and the motor ride is a long one
 
May 11, 2014
156
Catalina 22 Lake Pleasant, AZ
I have a 6-hp Tohatsu SailPro, and I'm kind of mixed on it. It's has better reliability than my old Honda 5-hp; but, it's been disappointing in other ways. I like the front mounted gearshift (F-N-R), but the controls for raising and lowering the motor are difficult to find and reach, and the motor doesn't track well - the knob that is supposed to hold the motor in place to go straight ahead simply doesn't work (Captain Don engineered a work-around, which will be a year-end project for me).

If your sailing is all on the lake, at least take a look at the Torqueedo Cruise 2.0 - I see huge advantages to a good electric motor - it's not for everyone; but maybe it is a fit for your specific use case.

- Bob
 
Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
I have a 6-hp Tohatsu SailPro, and I'm kind of mixed on it. It's has better reliability than my old Honda 5-hp; but, it's been disappointing in other ways. I like the front mounted gearshift (F-N-R), but the controls for raising and lowering the motor are difficult to find and reach, and the motor doesn't track well - the knob that is supposed to hold the motor in place to go straight ahead simply doesn't work (Captain Don engineered a work-around, which will be a year-end project for me).

If your sailing is all on the lake, at least take a look at the Torqueedo Cruise 2.0 - I see huge advantages to a good electric motor - it's not for everyone; but maybe it is a fit for your specific use case.

- Bob
I would be interested in that work around as our four hp Tohatsu does the same thing. Even with the frictionlock down tight the motor still won't stay where you put it.

Thanks
Sam
 
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RussC

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Sep 11, 2015
1,591
Merit 22- Oregon lakes
Just for the record - The 4 stroke Nissan 6HP is the exact same engine as the Nissan 4HP. The only difference is the carb. You can buy a 6HP carb for a 4HP Nissan and turn it into a 6HP. You may get a little better thrust with a different prop but I'm not sure about that aspect. I can't understand why they charge so much more for the 6HP since they both have to have a carb and I know for a fact that the 6HP carb is only a few dollars more than the 4HP (maybe even the same price $100 plus or minus for a brand new one.)
Same scam Briggs & Stratton was pushing a few years ago. It was known in the industry as "decal horsepower". What they did was to measure the HP at a higher RPM in order to show the higher HP. unfortunately, in order to keep it in one piece, you didn't want to actually run the engine at the higher speeds. Uncle Sam squashed that one, and is why you now only see cubic inch displacement figures on their engines instead of HP.
As far as why manufactures offer multiple HP of the same basic engine, that's because consumers want what they want, and the factories are anxious to oblige. why the cost difference? thats an easy one.... because they can. easily justified because, after all, it has more HP so it must be worth more money :roll eyes: . the cost to produce a product has nothing to do with how much it sells for. hasn't for many many years. ALL products sell at whatever price the market will bear. if it turns out to cost more than that to produce, production simply stops. which explains why so many "great products" go off the market unexpectedly.
And now you know, the rest of the story. ;)
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
I would be interested in that work around as our four hp Tohatsu does the same thing. Even with the frictionlock down tight the motor still won't stay where you put it.

Thanks
Sam
I can tell you the modification I came up to correct the ineffective steering friction lock issue on my new Tohatsu 6 HP Sail-Pro has been very successful I believe. After I installed the modification we motored for 4 hours from the ramp to the slip at our friends home, and the outboard remained in the position I had her pointed. Most recently we attended the C-22 Fall Cruise. We did a lot of motoring, probably 80% or more of the 118 miles we covered during the week cruise, and the engine remained in her adjusted position. We now have over 80 hours on the engine, and I believe the modification has been a success.

You can read all about it, with lot's of detailed photos in the Catalina-22 magazine, the MainBrace.

Don
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Motor sailing along during the fall C-22 cruise
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Hour meter on the outboard showing we now has 84.5 hours on the new engine
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One of the many photos from the Catalina-22 MainBrace article
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Motoring many miles in the "ditch"
 
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Oct 28, 2013
678
Hunter 20 Lake Monroe
Thanks Don. Which issues and where do I get a copy of the Mainbrace?

Thanks
Sam
 
Apr 26, 2010
434
catalina 22 lake tillery NC
I have read also that the tohatsu is really a Nissan do you agree? So does this mean the same with 4hp and 6hp?
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,023
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
I have read also that the tohatsu is really a Nissan do you agree? So does this mean the same with 4hp and 6hp?
Actually, it's the other way around. The Nissan is a re-branded Tohatsu. And yes, same carburetor deal, also.
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Actually, it's the other way around. The Nissan is a re-branded Tohatsu. And yes, same carburetor deal, also.
Actually, Mercury,(below 20 HP), Nissan, and Tohatsu are all the same, and all made by Tohatsu, only difference is the price.

Don
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,023
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
Ayup. @CaptDon01, do you have a direct link to your Mainbrace article covering the workaround you'd performed on the outboard's rotational clamp?
I'm lazy this morning. :biggrin:
 
Nov 19, 2008
2,129
Catalina C-22 MK-II Parrish, FL
Ayup. @CaptDon01, do you have a direct link to your Mainbrace article covering the workaround you'd performed on the outboard's rotational clamp?
I'm lazy this morning. :biggrin:
Sorry, I don't have a link. The C-22 association makes the current issue of the MainBrace available for free for anyone to enjoy, when the new issue comes out,(every two months), the past issue is archived and only available to Association members.

Don
 

T_Cat

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Aug 8, 2014
333
Catalina 22 1987 New Design. 14133 "LadyHawke" Modesto CA
I have a 2015 Tohatsu 4hp. I sail the foothill lakes in central CA. It does that task perfectly.
 
Apr 26, 2010
434
catalina 22 lake tillery NC
I've been leaning towards the 4hp tohatsu from what I've been reading. Don't plan to take the boat away from this lake so no need for the extra power. How many hours did you put on it ?