? on mounting Deck Organizer & Line Clutch

May 16, 2016
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Columbia 26mk2k Tarpon Springs FL
On a Catalina 27 there is room on the doghouse for two winches, two-triple spinlocks, two cam cleats, two cleats, and a 8 to 1 traveller bridge with fine tuning gear. And hand rails are advised. And add a split back-stay to take care of a heavy helm. I like hank-on jibs; you can sheet them in just right and sail changes are a pleasure(?) if you are tied off to a jackline. Tracks and blocks for the jib sheets, adjustable from the cockpit and a jib downhaul led around the lifeline to a (cam)cleat are the only things fouling the side-deck. See the Harken catalog diagrams. Keep everything in a straight line as much a possible. We built this system on a 1984 Columbia-27. It cost a bit, but it was easy to run single-handed. and really easy with some crew.
I am currently rebuilding a Columbia 26mk2k with mostly Schaefer(spelling -5) parts. No problem with Harken or anybody else, we just have a bunch of it on hand. It is a bubble-top, with huge flat decks. I do miss that Catalina....
Just remember the seven p's. Prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance.
 
May 16, 2016
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Catalina C27 French Creek Marina Parksville
Posts some Pictures Please? Maybe I should start a new thread here?
 
May 16, 2016
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Columbia 26mk2k Tarpon Springs FL
Sorry, no pictures. This was B.C.(before computers and digital cameras.) We used a pad blocks on the mast and cabin-top to turn the main and jib sheets to starboard. We used mast-base over and under blocks to turn the spinnaker to port. A pad-block for the topping-lift. That left one spare spinlocks slot. This arrangement crowded the area after of the mast-ba
 
May 16, 2016
4
Columbia 26mk2k Tarpon Springs FL
Sorry, no pics. This job was B.C.( before computers and digital cameras.)We used the Harken diagrams as a guide and laid out the straightest possible lines with strings, silicone sealant blobs and 2x4 blocks. We drilled and poured a lot of drilled holes, and truthfully some did not line up just so so we had to redrill.(dammitall). We had a ply-wood core and used 3/8" aluminum backing plates to secure mast-base blocks.
The main and jib ran to starboard and the spinnaker ran to port. The downhauls ran to their respective ends, secured by camcleats. The halyards ran to the spinlocks. The topping lift ran to a spinlock. The winches were mounted aft of the spinlocks, about 14 inches(we measured my wife's forearm for reach). The cleats were aft of the winches for just in case.(spinlocks wear out at the most inopportune moment; adjustment can be done with a screw inside). The traveller bridge was mounted slightly forward of the spinlocks. We did not use two- or three sheave flat blocks due to them upsetting the elevations of the lines. Do run the lines tight together and mount the blocks likewise as they will be happier when they hit the spinlocks and winches. With a sound deck, we used large backing plates to secure more than one turning block. Use acorn nuts and the right length bolt. The hand rails went on outside the equipment and we added a set to the overhead in the cabin. I am doing the same to a Columbia 26mk2k now.
DO NOT use the lines to haul your skinny butt up the mast. Reroute a
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
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Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Mitch, glad to see my old thread come alive again.
You asked about where to find long SS bolts. One person mentioned ebay but McMaster Carr is my go to place for things I cannot find in my local Ace store. I've bought long 316SS bolts in 1/4" and 3/8" sizes up to 5" length and I know they have longer.
 
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May 16, 2016
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Catalina C27 French Creek Marina Parksville
For the rope clutch I found there was a space between the bottom of the deck and the cabin roof. I drilled 3/4" holes and put the washers and nuts inside, then found plugs to cover the holes. It was the same way they mounted the hand rails.
Hi Ward Welcome Back.
Just to clarify. you recessed the above mentioned bolt, nut and washer inside the cabin roof? The reason that I ask is that as I mentioned previously, the location that I MUST place my DO is directly above my main beam header? Which is more like 3 inches thick from top deck to inside cabin roof. Firstly, am I even okay to drill into this section? Secondly, considering how thick it is here can I tap and drill bigger screws or do I have to through bolt for strength? and finally, did you oversize all through bolt holes and fill with epoxy followed by a bedding compound? Brand? product name?
Once again, sorry for bumping the post. You guys have all been an immense help here as I am terrified of taking these next steps ;-)
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,775
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Mitch, I don't know your boat so cannot say if it is safe to drill through the main beam header or not. I think it depends on the size of the header and if I felt a couple of holes will weaken it too much.
Definitely through bolting is preferred to screws. I drilled my holes oversize by about 50%, taped the bottom of the hole from the inside, then filled the hole with regular epoxy using a syringe. After letting it sit about 5 minutes I use the syringe to such out the epoxy and put it back in the mixing cup. Then I thicken it with one of the West Systems thickeners and put it back in the hole. After it hardens I drill the hole to the correct size for the bolt. I then counter sink the hole to give more area for bedding compound.
The hole idea to potting the holes with epoxy is if there is ever a little leak, it will drip into the boat and not soak into the deck wood.
I only use Bed-It Butyl Tape for bedding. See this link for more info and the link to the butyl tape is at the bottom. http://forums.sailboatowners.com/in...-deck-hardware-with-bed-it-butyl-tape.117172/

Most people on this forum will not use 3M 5200 because it is a permanent sealant. You'll tear your deck apart if you every try to move any parts bedded with it. 4200 is better but butyl tape works great.
 
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Most people on this forum will not use 3M 5200 because it is a permanent sealant. You'll tear your deck apart if you every try to move any parts bedded with it. 4200 is better but butyl tape works great.
Eureka! Thanks so much Ward. Butyl tape and epoxy it is. Just not sure if I need West Systems thickener?
 
Sep 8, 2014
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Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
Eureka! Thanks so much Ward. Butyl tape and epoxy it is. Just not sure if I need West Systems thickener?
Mitch, the link you posted is exactly the right method to use, what we typically use is the term 'potting'. Check out the West System website how to articles... they are very good with better pictures, LOL!
You do not typically need a thickener for the epoxy. Most of the mounting bolts you will use through your deck will be 1/4" machine screws (bolts), some possibly 5/16". You wouldn't see anything mounted with 3/8" bolts until you get on really big bolts. No offense to Ward H, but you do not need to thicken the epoxy.
- Line up the piece of deck hardware you intend to mount and drill the holes in the exact position you need them, they will most commonly be 1/4" bolts.
- Remove the hardware and place 2 inch wide blue painters tape over the holes (this is important for controlling mess). Now over-drill the holes by one size. For 1/4" holes I over-drill to 5/16, but I will often go to 11/32... 3/8 maybe a little overkill but I have done that too. Essentially, drilling the original hole back to 1/4" in a 5/16" pot will give you a 1/32" 'wall thickness' of epoxy plus what is soaked into the plywood core. If you go as much as 3/8" for a 1/4" bolt, the epoxy wall thickness will be 1/16". It doesn't sound like much, but it more than needed. I find that going too big on the holes makes it harder to re-center the holes.
- Tape off the bottom of the holes with blue tape. Fill the hole with un-thickened epoxy... there is no need to thicken it and the extra step is wasted effort. Use a syringe, I can't stress this enough... it keeps things much less messy. Fill the holes to 99% full, no need to over-fill.
- Watch the holes as the epoxy settles... pop any air bubbles with a needle or safety pin and add drops of epoxy hen needed. The wood core will soak some epoxy up and the level will lower, keep them topped off to just barley below the top. This serves two purposes; The recess will help center the drill bit when you go to re-drill the 1/4" hole. If you over fill you will loose that helpful factor, have to sand the cured epoxy flush, and epoxy near the surface will be cut away in any case when you add a slight counter-bore to the hole. Remember, the top layer is already solid fiberglass.
- When the epoxy is cured, before you remove the blue tape, sand the holes only if needed. A detail sander like a hand-held oscillating tool and triangle sanding pad is perfect for this task. Remove the tape and place the hardware back over the mounting holes. Carefully align the everything so you are re-drilling dead center on the epoxy filled holes. sometimes I used a spring-loaded punch to mark the center of one hole first. Usually, when you use the method of only filling the hole 99%, the bit is pretty good at finding center on its own. I am guilty of overfilling holes when I work too fast. When you have one hole drilled dead-center you can drop the bolt into the hardware to help hold the remaining holes dead over their marks.
 
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Catalina C27 French Creek Marina Parksville
IMG_4371.JPG IMG_4373.JPG IMG_4374.JPG Once again thank you CloudDiver for the very much appreciated detailed advice. I still have a concern and will try to post a picture later.. This 3 inch bulkhead that I have to attach my DO to, will make re-drilling through epoxy filled holes very difficult if the drill is not positioned exactly the same angle as the previously drilled holes. As this is the base for my Deck Organizer which will suffer more shear force than lifting force? couldn't i just post fill some inch and a half or longer holes to accommodate a beefier screw? this way I do not have to worry about how the drill exits the back side (cabin side). Or better yet, maybe there is a chance that this bulked or beam or header etc. is solid fibreglass and therefor would only require once drilled through holes with some butyl bedding as there may be no core here? I will try to post a picture later. Everything else is as clear as mud :)
 
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