Odorlos / Raritan

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Feb 7, 2012
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Moody Eclipse 33 Preveza, Greece
Hi Peggie,

It now seems impossible to get Raritan KO in the UK or Greece. The other product you mention is odorlos but I'm not clear whether it's a similar formulation. I take you point about introducing aerobic bacteria into the tank and I have a chance to do this from the start this season. Odorlos is available here so should I go for that?

Regards, David

btw - did you get my email?
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,946
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Odorlos not the same thing as K.O.

Both are environmentally friendly products that contain no toxic chemicals, and are by far the most effective eco-friendly products--which are the reasons they're the only products I recommend. But that's where the similarities end.

Raritan K.O. is a bio-active (live bacteria) product...the bacteria work with the naturually occurring bacteria in waste to break down solids and TP and to prevent odor. Although it can break down waste equally well in both aerobic and anaerobic conditions, K.O. does require an aerobic environment to prevent odors, so it doesn't necessarily work in all tanks. However, bacteria multiply...making it unnecessary to add K.O. between pumpouts unless the boat has sat long enough for the li'l buggers to exhaust their food supply and die. Easily fixed by adding a couple of ounces to the first flush when you come back aboard.

The active ingredient in Odorlos is nitrates. It prevents odor by promoting oxygen release from organic matter--from the waste itself...allowing it to work in tanks that are not sufficiently well ventilated to allow K.O. to function aerobically. But nitrates dxhaust themselves fairly quickly...unlike bacteria, nitriates don't multiply. So more must be added at least every 4-5 days--more often in especially hot weather. So if you add Odorlos immediately after pumpout at the end of a cruise, then the boat sits for a few days, you MUST add the recommended dose again when you return or you WILL have odor.

Btw...don't be deceived into believing that products labeled "biodegradable" are environmentally friendly. Formaldehyde--the active ingredient in Thetford AquaKem--is bio-degradable...as are gluteraldehyde and quaternary ammonium compounds, which are the most common active ingredients in chemical tank products...all of which are labeled "bio-degradable."

The first aid warnings on packaging are the best indication of whether any product is really environmentally friendly or not. All products will include a warning to “keep out of the reach of children and pets,” but if they also say something like “harmful or fatal if swallowed, may cause blindness, if ingested call poison control immediately,” that product isn’t the least bit friendly to man or the environment, no matter how “biodegradable” it’s supposed to be. If, on the other hand, the first aid warnings only advise “wash hands after handling, flush eyes with clean water for 15 minutes, drink large quantities of liquids if ingested, contact physician if symptoms develop,” you can be confident that product really is environmentally friendly.
 
Feb 14, 2010
156
Hunter H33C Quincy, MA
KO

Hope I'm steppin' on anybody's toes, is there a reason why KO wasn't mentioned in the Practical Sailor article about holding tank treatments this month?
 
Oct 3, 2008
59
Beneteau 361 Seattle
Re: KO

I was thinking the same thing. Peggy, someone should write in to them about that.
 

BillyK

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Jan 24, 2010
502
Catalina 310 Ocean City, NJ
The active ingredient in Odorlos is nitrates.
interesting.. if one could find a bag lawn fertilizer, would that be as good as Odorlos? Nitrogen sources include ammonium nitrate (33.5-0-0), urea nitrogen (46-0-0), sodium nitrate (16-0-0) and liquid nitrogen (30-0-0). it certainly would be a lot cheaper and found at many home stores.. would just need to know the type and amount to add to be inline with the % that Odorlos uses..

sound like something that might work?
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,946
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The MSDS for Odorlos

Should tell you all you want to know about what's in it. Google it.

"MSDS" Material Safety Data Sheet. All "consumable" products--powder and liquid--sold in the US are required to have one.
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,946
- - LIttle Rock
Hope I'm steppin' on anybody's toes, is there a reason why KO wasn't mentioned in the Practical Sailor article about holding tank treatments this month?
A member here who posts as "thinwater" was the independent contractor who did the actual testing...ask him.
 

BillyK

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Jan 24, 2010
502
Catalina 310 Ocean City, NJ
Should tell you all you want to know about what's in it. Google it.

"MSDS" Material Safety Data Sheet. All "consumable" products--powder and liquid--sold in the US are required to have one.
its 100% Sodium Nitrate (NaNO3)

so a bag of 16-0-0 fertilizer from the depot is the same as Odorlos..
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,946
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I wouldn't count on that...

Sodium nitrate is the ACTIVE ingredient in Odorlos dry powder, but not the only ingredient.

Apparently you didn't dig very deep, or you'd have found that liquid Odolos isn't quite the same as the dry...the active ingredient in LIQUID Odorlos is ammonium nitrate...additional ingredients include "Hydrated Ammonium Calcium Nitrate Double Salt water."

Do you have enough of a chemistry background to know how much to use? What to mix--or what you shouldn't--with it? How much? Etc Etc ? What else is in lawn fertilizer that isn't in Odorlos that could damage your system?

It's a funny thing about products that are the "same thing for a fraction of the price" as a well tested proven product...if they really are the same thing, it doesn't take very long for competing products to hit the market. But when a product is still the only one of its kind after more than a decade on the market, you kinda have to wonder if there isn't a good reason why it's never been cloned.
 

BillyK

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Jan 24, 2010
502
Catalina 310 Ocean City, NJ
Peggie Hall-HeadMistress said:
Sodium nitrate is the ACTIVE ingredient in Odorlos dry powder, but not the only ingredient.

Apparently you didn't dig very deep, or you'd have found that liquid Odolos isn't quite the same as the dry...the active ingredient in LIQUID Odorlos is ammonium nitrate...additional ingredients include "Hydrated Ammonium Calcium Nitrate Double Salt water."

Do you have enough of a chemistry background to know how much to use? What to mix--or what you shouldn't--with it? How much? Etc Etc ? What else is in lawn fertilizer that isn't in Odorlos that could damage your system?

It's a funny thing about products that are the "same thing for a fraction of the price" as a well tested proven product...if they really are the same thing, it doesn't take very long for competing products to hit the market. But when a product is still the only one of its kind after more than a decade on the market, you kinda have to wonder if there isn't a good reason why it's never been cloned.
I was only referring to the dry powder version.. And isn't 100% a 100%? Maybe I wrongfully assumed that a dry powder of a chemical that is 100% of that chemical was not able to be diluted with other fillers without mention on the sheet..

My intention in what I pointed out is that there are other alternatives for a product that are the same.. Take cetol prep for instance.. It's xylene.. Repackaged and sold for 10 times the price than a can of xylene at the depot..

I don't like seeing people get ripped off and with a little knowledge they won't..
 
Mar 26, 2011
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Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Hope I'm steppin' on anybody's toes, is there a reason why KO wasn't mentioned in the Practical Sailor article about holding tank treatments this month?
Simply because the number of test holding tanks was limitied and we wanted to do them all side-by side. It is unfortunate KO missed the roster. We tried to choose a cross section of products; those that were bio-active in some sense, and some that were sterilyzing agents. You know the results.

Based on the limited experince I have with KO and CP, I expect they would do very well; they have for me.

I believe there will be a follow-up in the fall, as there are a number of products worth investigating that missed the first round. Certainly KO, I believe Sealand has a new offering, if you have other suggestions tell me, and we will probably re-run Odorlos powder as a dependable refference point.

I really hate this testing, by the way. I want to stick to good effective products thiis time!
 
Jan 22, 2008
597
Oday 35 and Mariner 2+2 Alexandria, VA
So the liquid and dry versions are actually different. The liquid posts
Ammonium Nitrate at 28.9% by weight. And the dry is sodium nitrate at 100%. Next I see a side by side comparison in my future.
 
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