Oday 26

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How much should a fully loaded clean and in excellent condition O'Day 26 sell for?
The boat I'm interested is in excellent shape, clean with
Main sail with O'Day logo
150 jib
Two batteries (new)
Y valve rough in
In board 10 horse power deisal
Main sail with logo
150 genoa (uv rim)
Genoa
Very clean in excellent condition
Dandorth anchor with spair.
Listing link is:
http://kingston.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=309653886

Sensors don't work

Excellent galvanized trailer with regular tires, brakes not working

New head with pump out
New fresh water tanks
Clean and well maintained engine
Two burner alcohol stove
Large ice box and cockpit cooler
Anchor locker
New lines

Please advise
 
Jun 3, 2004
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Oday and Catalina O'Day 25 and Catalina 30 Milwaukee
I bought a 1983 O'Day 25 last year with a Yanmar 1GM (6.5 hp) and very low hours (<200), a trailer with working brakes (not galvanized though) and quite a few extras. The sails were not new but were functional, and the furling unit is a Furlex rather than the CDI that is on this one. It had been equipped with shore power, a small fridge, two batteries, deck pump-out of the porta-pottie, plus a bunch of added gear (e.g., drogue, tools, replacement belts/filters, spinnaker, lots of lines, etc.). I did end up having some water intrusion under the mast-step (which I suspected when I bought it) and while the repair took some time, it was not difficult. In any case, this 26 looks a little bit cleaner, but not a lot cleaner. The 25 and 26 are very close in size. I paid less than half what they are asking in $ US. Given the exchange rate is nearly 1-1, this seems a little steep to me especially given that you will need brake work on the trailer. I do think I got a great deal even with the deck project.

As an aside, you will want to check carefully for water intrusion by the chain-plates and under the mast-step. It is common to get some leakage there, even on an otherwise well-maintained boat. Also, get those brakes fixed ASAP. It's a safety issue with such a big boat. Check out Keith's projects on his beautifully restored O'Day 26 on this site for more details.

Good luck,

Dave
O'Day 25
 
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Dec 8, 2006
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Oday 26 Starr, SC
Here is correct

I bought a 1983 O'Day 25 last year with a Yanmar 1GM (6.5 hp) and very low hours (<200), a trailer with working brakes (not galvanized though) and quite a few extras. The sails were not new but were functional, and the furling unit is a Furlex rather than the CDI that is on this one. It had been equipped with shore power, a small fridge, two batteries, deck pump-out of the porta-pottie, plus a bunch of added gear (e.g., drogue, tools, replacement belts/filters, spinnaker, lots of lines, etc.). I did end up having some water intrusion under the mast-step (which I suspected when I bought it) and while the repair took some time, it was not difficult. In any case, this 26 looks a little bit cleaner, but not a lot cleaner. The 25 and 26 are very close in size. I paid less than half what they are asking in $ US. Given the exchange rate is nearly 1-1, this seems a little steep to me especially given that you will need brake work on the trailer. I do think I got a great deal even with the deck project.

As an aside, you will want to check carefully for water intrusion by the chain-plates and under the mast-step. It is common to get some leakage there, even on an otherwise well-maintained boat. Also, get those brakes fixed ASAP. It's a safety issue with such a big boat. Check out Keith's projects on his beautifully restored O'Day 26 on this site for more details.

Good luck,

Dave
O'Day 25
Here is correct web site:

http://kingston.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-ODAY-26-W0QQAdIdZ309653886

Maybe you should offer $15,000 US....

Ed K
 

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Here are the links to the boats I'm thinking of.

Ill refer to them as:

"Blue Deck" (BD) $13,900

http://kingston.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-ODAY-26-W0QQAdIdZ309653886

and

"Grey Deck" (GD) $19,700.00

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...oard-Yanmar-diesel-inboard-W0QQAdIdZ301543025

While I am yet to see GD both seem in excellent condition with no water damage at all. GD is better equipped in terms of electronics and has the "real" trailer but is considerably more.

BD is owned by a marine mechanic, and is imaculatly maintained, but needs some instrumentation improvements as I am a sailor that enjoys (and depends on as a backup) good sensors. Upgrading BD could be bone slowly, but would probably require a few thousand dollars investment.

While GD only needs a single sensor repaired, it is expensive.

My gut feeling is that both are a bit over priced; especially when comparing to American prices, however they are in way better condition then I have seen in comparably aged boats to date.

Any other thought on the boats I'm thinking about? Any general reviews or things I should consider in the O'Day 26 model?

Thanks again!
 
Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
used boat pricing

Here are the links to the boats I'm thinking of.

Ill refer to them as:

"Blue Deck" (BD) $13,900

http://kingston.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-ODAY-26-W0QQAdIdZ309653886

and

"Grey Deck" (GD) $19,700.00

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...oard-Yanmar-diesel-inboard-W0QQAdIdZ301543025

While I am yet to see GD both seem in excellent condition with no water damage at all. GD is better equipped in terms of electronics and has the "real" trailer but is considerably more.

BD is owned by a marine mechanic, and is imaculatly maintained, but needs some instrumentation improvements as I am a sailor that enjoys (and depends on as a backup) good sensors. Upgrading BD could be bone slowly, but would probably require a few thousand dollars investment.

While GD only needs a single sensor repaired, it is expensive.

My gut feeling is that both are a bit over priced; especially when comparing to American prices, however they are in way better condition then I have seen in comparably aged boats to date.

Any other thought on the boats I'm thinking about? Any general reviews or things I should consider in the O'Day 26 model?

Thanks again!
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JProppe said, "My gut feeling is that both are a bit over priced; especially when comparing to American prices, however they are in way better condition then I have seen in comparably aged boats to date."

A sailboat is worth what a willing buyer is willing to pay and a willing seller is willing to sell at. Any 25 year old boat depends on many things. Condition of boat and accessories? trailer included? serviceable motor included? Yada Yada ...

It is possible that both boats are priced correctly or both wrongly priced. Since you are buyer it is your judgement to offer...

As to comparison with O'Day 25 earlier, the O'Day 26 is to start with a newer boat wherein several design changes were made to correct deficiencies of O'Day 25. Specifically, but not all, were deeping of keel, balanced rudder, easier access to under cockpit.

The sellers apparently have placed an asking price according to their opinion. Now the ball is in your hands.

I suspect that they will come to a meeting of buyer and seller at some price at some time. Whether it is you or another is to be decided.

As to condition advertized and restated by you, both prices are within reason. An O'Day 26 in good condition is worth more than the current prices deflated by economic conditions. So, it depends if you are willing to pay what it is worth, yes?

Ed K
O26

addendum:
“Digging ditches only to fill them up again (or mobilizing for space aliens) is not "productive." That is the simple, critical difference between Keynesians and others: common sense is correct in this case. When you divert resources from more productive uses to less productive uses, you are not likely to see growth.” By Fareed Zakaria



 

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Jun 3, 2004
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Oday and Catalina O'Day 25 and Catalina 30 Milwaukee
While I'll try not to be too much of pointy headed academic, here is the perspective of an economist (and not a Keynesian by the way). If you are trying to determine the market price for a boat, rather than what it is worth to you (economist's call the maximum price you will pay the reservation price), then you need to determine the prices that comparable boat sold for. This is easy in the new boat market because you can get a true apples-to-apples comparison by looking at the same boat from different dealers. It is more challenging in the used boat market, because it's very unlikely that you will find boats that are qualitatively the same. Old boats by definition are going to have different maintenance histories, more or less wear and tear, and of course some come with more bells and whistle's than others. When I was searching for the O'Day 25 I bought last year, I started the search by trying to get a feel for the market price. I went to lot's of web sites and looking at the asking price and the sold price. I looked at quite a few 25's over the course of a couple of years. This allowed me to develop judgment as to what a typical market price would be for a boat of average quality, high quality, and low quality (given the bells and whistles it does or doesn't have). Note that these prices varied depending on number of factors besides quality (e.g., was the seller highly motivated? Was it sold at the beginning of the season or at the end of the season when the owner may have to incur storage costs? etc.). As an aside, it sounds like you have at least a feel for the market price because you said that your gut feeling was that both are a bit overpriced. Keep in mind, asking prices are almost always higher than selling prices.

To determine the best deal, you have to compare your reservation price with the selling price, and you won't know the precise selling price until negotiations are over. But usually you can get some feel as to how much flexibility there is in the price by just tallking to the seller. I would define the best deal as the one in which your reservation price exceeds your estimate of the selling price by the greatest margin with one caveat. You also need to factor in the cost of updates/repairs that are needed to get the boat up to an acceptable level of quality.

So this is pretty long-winded (academics have that reputation), but I do have one last observation. The asking price for GD is almost 42% higher than for BD. That's a pretty big spread in my opinion given that both appear to be in good shape. I would certainly point out the difference to the seller of GD to try to gain some concessions if you decide to negotiate with that seller.

Finally, although my own reservation price would be lower than either of these two asking prices even if I were in the market for an O'Day 26, Ed is right that that is irrelevant. But that doesn't mean that you ignore whatever signals you can get from your assessment of what the typical market price for a boat of similar quality would be. If the selling price is higher than the market price, the seller will have a hard time selling it. Might they find some buyer with a high reservation price? Sure, but the higher their asking price, the fewer potential buyers they will have and the more likely it is that it will sit unsold. So if the boat has been on the market for a while, that's a signal that the asking price is quite a bit higher than the true market price. Anyhow, good luck with your search. I hope you get a great deal.

Oh and by the way, Ed's also right about Keynesians.

Dave
O'Day 25
 

BruceC

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Oct 6, 2008
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Oday 26 So. Orleans
I just happened to read this earlier posted inquiry and any response at this date is probably moot. However, I own a 1985 O'Day 26 (Yanmar 1GM10 diesel); the so-called Anniversary Edition (simply special nameplate with the blue cabin cushions) without trailer. The boat is in excellent condition with Furlex roller furling, Main, 150 Genoa, drifter and dual Optima AGM batteries. Also custom dodger (new 2005) with stainless frame. My guess is that a selling price of approximately $9,500 is about the most I could expect to obtain where I to sell boat. If anyone knows of a clean 1981-86 Cape Dory 25D or 27 for sale, I might just be willing to part with the O'Day.
 
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O day 25 Nyack. New York
I bought a very clean 83 Oday 25 last year without a trailer and with an older 2 cycle long shaft 9.9 outboard (it still runs well). Cushions and sails were in good shape. Price included winter storage and new coat of bottom paint at $6000
 
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