O'Day 25 Head

Aug 2, 2021
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O'Day 25 Peoria, IL
I'm a bit confused (which is fairly normal) concerning the factory supplied head configuration. I have an '83 that has a pump out toilet but appears not to ever had a holding tank. I say this because it doesn't appear to have ever had a through hull vent or cutouts in bulkheads for plumbing. I'm comparing this to a '75 O'Day 25 that I'm parting out. This model has a bladder mounted under the forward berth and plumbing passing through the forward bulkhead.

Since I've moved the boat to Lake Michigan I've installed a porta potty while I determine whether or not I want to install a 'legal" system.

Comments?
 
Sep 24, 2018
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Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
My 78 came with a porta potty with a built in tank and pump out port. I replaced it with the one shown below. Installation was extremely easy since it was the same style as before. You must make sure you don't fill it past the full indicator or it might leak. We use the boat 2-3 times per week and pump out every two weeks or so
Dometic SaniPottie 975MSD Toilet with MSD Fittings - Gray
 
Dec 2, 1997
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That's exactly what I was gonna recommend. The "MSD" designation in the model name/number means it has fittings for a pumpout line and vent line, and is designed to be permanently installed (actually just sturdier brackets than portables, so you could still take it off the boat if you absolutely have to), which means that although it's still called a PORTApotty, you don't have to carry anything including urine jugs off the boat to empty it.

A 5-6 gallon model is household height and holds 50-60 flushes...you'd need at least a 30 gal tank to hold that many from a manual marine toilet. No plumbing needed except a vent line and pumpout hose--so no new holes in the boat...and -0- maintenance needed except for rinsing out the tank--which you can do with a bucket while it's being pumped out. Total cost including the pumpout hose and vent line is about $300--a fraction of what you'd spend for a toilet, tank and all the related plumbing needed. And the best part is, you have all the advantages of a toilet and holding tank without giving up a single square foot of storage space.

A number of sbo.com members have installed MSD portapotties and LOVE 'em!

--Peggie
 
Sep 24, 2018
3,307
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
Regardless of which route you go, I would highly recommend oderlos treatment solution. Thanks for recommending it to me Peggy!
 
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Aug 2, 2021
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O'Day 25 Peoria, IL
Thanks for the advice. Seems to be an easy fix and a lot less plumbing to maintain.

Question - as the boat doesn't appear to ever have had the proper plumbing for a holding tank system, was the '83 built without a MSD system? What were the legal requirements in '83?
 
Dec 2, 1997
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New marine sanitation regs included in the Federal Water Pollution Act ("Clean Water Act") of 1978 required that all vessels must begin using holding tanks or USCG certified Type I or II MSDs (treatment devices) on Jan 1, 1980. That deadline was too short to be enforceable for a variety of reasons. Boat builders hated the idea because holding tanks were an added cost that added no increase in value to the boat. They had to begin incorporating space for them and find suppliers. As a result, few if any boat builders began including holding tanks in new boats until at least 1983 or '84. Most importantly, states had to enact legislation to enforce the new requirement, which none did until the late '80s...Georgia was the first to mandate holding tanks in all NEW boats with toilets delivered to inland lakes in 1987 and finally enacted legislation to enforce their use on ALL boats on inland lakes in 1991. So it's not unusual even now to find early-mid '80s boats--especially smaller boats--that have never had a tank installed. If anything, a portapotty may have been included.

Some of the industry's earliest solutions were quite creative...Raritan developed a 5 gallon tank that wrapped around the bowl...Danforth (same company that makes anchors) and couple of other companies created recirculating systems using a small tank directly behind the toilet...I have several more examples somewhere in my old files.

And btw...it was Georgia's law mandating tanks on all NEW boats that accidentally launched my career in marine sanitation. I lived in GA then...my late husband and I bought our first boat big enough to have plumbing at the Atlanta boat show in 1988...the odor out the tank vent every time we flushed the toilet was unbearable...nothing available from boat stores helped, some even made it worse...the odor HAD to go or the boat had to go and I liked the boat. So I began searching outside the marine market for the solution and tripped over a sewage treatment engineer who put me onto a lab that made a live bacteria product he thought should help. They gave me a sample, I tried it...and it WORKED! Our dockmates who had the same problem asked me "what did you do and how do we get some?" When I learned that I could private label it and sell it, I bought a few cases, named it "K.O Kills Odors"...and a small side business was born. When GA began requiring ALL boats to use tanks, my husband suggested I sell tanks too, I jumped on that idea...and the rest is history.

--Peggie
 
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New marine sanitation regs included in the Federal Water Pollution Act ("Clean Water Act") of 1978 required that all vessels must begin using holding tanks or USCG certified Type I or II MSDs (treatment devices) on Jan 1, 1980. That deadline was too short to be enforceable for a variety of reasons. Boat builders hated the idea because holding tanks were an added cost that added no increase in value to the boat. They had to begin incorporating space for them and find suppliers. As a result, few if any boat builders began including holding tanks in new boats until at least 1983 or '84. Most importantly, states had to enact legislation to enforce the new requirement, which none did until the late '80s...Georgia was the first to mandate holding tanks in all NEW boats with toilets delivered to inland lakes in 1987 and finally enacted legislation to enforce their use on ALL boats on inland lakes in 1991. So it's not unusual even now to find early-mid '80s boats--especially smaller boats--that have never had a tank installed. If anything, a portapotty may have been included.

Some of the industry's earliest solutions were quite creative...Raritan developed a 5 gallon tank that wrapped around the bowl...Danforth (same company that makes anchors) and couple of other companies created recirculating systems using a small tank directly behind the toilet...I have several more examples somewhere in my old files.

And btw...it was Georgia's law mandating tanks on all NEW boats that accidentally launched my career in marine sanitation. I lived in GA then...my late husband and I bought our first boat big enough to have plumbing at the Atlanta boat show in 1988...the odor out the tank vent every time we flushed the toilet was unbearable...nothing available from boat stores helped, some even made it worse...the odor HAD to go or the boat had to go and I liked the boat. So I began searching outside the marine market for the solution and tripped over a sewage treatment engineer who put me onto a lab that made a live bacteria product he thought should help. They gave me a sample, I tried it...and it WORKED! Our dockmates who had the same problem asked me "what did you do and how do we get some?" When I learned that I could private label it and sell it, I bought a few cases, named it "K.O Kills Odors"...and a small side business was born. When GA began requiring ALL boats to use tanks, my husband suggested I sell tanks too, I jumped on that idea...and the rest is history.

--Peggie
What a :poop: way to make a living..... ( couldn't stop myself :rolleyes: )
 
Sep 24, 2018
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Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
I could be wrong but I don't believe my 78 Oday originally had MSD plumbing. Installation only took an hour or two since most of the plumbing was already there. Add about 45 minutes if you don't have a pump out port on deck. Hardware store fittings are not the same size or taper as marine fittings! I might have some extra hosing left over. PM me if interested
 
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Dec 2, 1997
8,925
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What a :poop: way to make a living..... ( couldn't stop myself :rolleyes: )
You've heard the saying, "Many are called but few are chosen'"... I did NOT choose this field of expertise, it definitely chose me while I was enjoying a 20 yr career in advertising that my husband's losing battle with bone cancer was forcing me to leave. My small business in the basement of our house gave me something positive to focus on while I cared for him and I began to see the potential in a field that wasn't attracting many others. So after he passed away, I got serious about growing it. Hardly the glamorous part of the marine industry, but it's been good to me and good FOR me because my learning curve never ends, which keeps my aging brain active, and I LOVE helping people solve--better yet, prevent--problems.

--Peggie
 
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Mar 31, 2013
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O'Day 26 CB New Orleans
Ms, Peggy, I took your advice on the MSD Dometic and found the installation even drilling and connecting the deck fittings easy pleasy on my 25 Catalina swing keel. Several mini-strokes in 2019 took those memories. thank you for the refresher now that I am refitting an '85 O'Day 26 CB I wanted to go that same route but could not remember the model and particulars. I will definitely take your same advice again. Thank you, jimmy (aka 80 yr old back on the G. loop).