Oday 222 traveler placement

[marcus]

I have recently purchased an 1984 Oday 222 and have bought a traveler and planning to install it in the next few weeks. I am considering two placements, either above the cabin or in the cockpit just in front of the hatchway.
Any reason not to place it on the cabin? I have bought some SS mounts that will distribute the forces well, so I am assuming that it would be safe to place it there just 10 inches in front of the Barlow cabin mounted winches. Looking at the 272 traveler as a guide. Appreciate any advise or thoughts.
I know that the cockpit placement would work, but hate to take up some of the limited seating room.

 

[Brian S]

Do some searching here, Marcus. We had quite a bit of discussion of exactly this topic earlier this summer.

Joe (Trinkka) built a teak bridge contoured to the shape of the tops of the seat, and runs his traveller across the seats behind the bridge deck. Over the cabin is probably too close to the gooseneck, so, to keep it far enough aft, it would require the traveller bridge to be over the hatch opening, and that would make it difficult to get in and out of the cabin. Although across the narrow bridge deck seems too narrow, because it is forward on the boom (because you will convert to mid-boom sheeting) you may get enough travel vs. needing a longer one if you went transom mounted. Be careful of strength of boom, so you may distribute force over 2 blocks set apart for mid-boom sheeting. I personally would rather keep end boom sheeting, and thus more space in my cockpit, so I would have a custom bridge fabricated over the aft coaming, high enough for the tiller to go under. I can't put a bridge over the seats, because then I wouldn't be able to lay full length on the seats! You can add an inspection port in aft of the fuel locker, so you can reach up to affix a backing block up under the coaming.

Brian

 

[Brian S]

I think Joe has some pics of his traveller in his profile photo albums somewhere: http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/member.php?u=78449

If not, they are attached to a post of his within the past year, that you should be able to find from searching the forum. Might be under the O'day Daysailors forum, though.

Brian

 

[marcus]

Thanks Brian!
I went and found it and read the other comments. Very helpful!

 

[Brian S]

Marcus, keep us up to date what you decide to do!

Brian

 

[daleyellin]

Marcus -- I am currently in the initial installation steps of mounting a traveler on the transom. I settled on this location after considerable discussion with Brian on the pros and cons of the available locations.

My initially desired location was the cabin top like you're thinking of. However, getting the traveller far enough back from the mast ended up blocking access to the cabin without a real contortion act.

For the transom installation, the traveller will be mounted on stainless "towers" between 6 and 9" high (Still trying to decide actual height. (9" gives me sufficient clearance for the tiller and my outboard throttle/handle. However, I'd like to get it as low as possible and still be able to control the outboard below the traveller.) At Brian's suggestion, I'm modifying the top of the rudder by adding aluminum flat stock to move the tiller forward, under the traveller, so that it can still be tilted up.

I am currently making mock-ups of the towers for test fitting. I'll let the group know how that goes.

Dale

 

[Mich222]

oday 222 traveler

Looking forward to pictures. Good idea to modify pivot point on tiller to forward of added traveler. I have been contemplating a traveler for a few years.

The problem I saw with a transom placement is that a raised traveler bridge had to be too far forward for my liking in order to clear the backstay. I recall that I then had a concern about raised transom traveler interfering with opening lazarette and fuel locker. Just make sure you take into consideration the space that the mainsheet and all other moving parts (fuel locker hatch etc.) will move through and occupy.

I mocked up a removable traveler inspired by the Etap design- with traveler placement just forward of the lazarette hatches (and about 9-12 inches forward of end boom sheeting). With this design Boom loads were not that much different than end boom sheeting. The benefit of removable traveler is self-explanatory- can go from racing to cockpit cocktail space in 5 minutes. The benefit of mid-cockpit traveler placement means crew can help during racing. If I were to do it, I would go with the Harken car-that is adjustable when under load.

Marcus -- I am currently in the initial installation steps of mounting a traveler on the transom. I settled on this location after considerable discussion with Brian on the pros and cons of the available locations.

My initially desired location was the cabin top like you're thinking of. However, getting the traveller far enough back from the mast ended up blocking access to the cabin without a real contortion act.

For the transom installation, the traveller will be mounted on stainless "towers" between 6 and 9" high (Still trying to decide actual height. (9" gives me sufficient clearance for the tiller and my outboard throttle/handle. However, I'd like to get it as low as possible and still be able to control the outboard below the traveller.) At Brian's suggestion, I'm modifying the top of the rudder by adding aluminum flat stock to move the tiller forward, under the traveller, so that it can still be tilted up.

I am currently making mock-ups of the towers for test fitting. I'll let the group know how that goes.

Dale

 

[daleyellin]

Mich -- Good points regarding the lazarette and fuel locker clearance. I'm going to have to watch for that. All good reason for mocking up the towers and traveller placement before drilling any holes.

I've seen the Harkens and they are nice, however I already have a Shaefer unit.

If you think of any other items to watch out for, please let me know. Sharing info will, hopefully, keep all of from making unnecessary mistakes.

Thanks,

Dale

 

[marcus]

Thanks everyone!
My current plan is to mount it on the aft coaming on 8" stainless steel risers. The traveler is 53" long (salvaged from another boat) and has a slight 1 " arch in the center. My rudder tiller has a slight arch to it and is thicker than other tillers I have seen, so I hope I have adequate clearance for its movement. My traveler is a 1 3/4" I track that is screwed to the arched support base made of 3" C bar aluminum. For clearance of the traveler car, I was planning to fabricate a stout stainless steel bracket and attach it to the back of the traveler base. This would move the backstay back a couple inches which would give room for the traveler car. This would not change the angle or length of the backstay by much. Just looking how strong the traveler is, it appears it would be plenty strong to handle this modification. Any concerns or comments?

Additionally, I have remote throttle, forward and reverse for my extra long shaft yachtwin9.9 and was contemplating locking the motor in a straight position and steering with the rudder only, but have not put the motor on and check clearances with rudder in place to see if this idea is even possible. I like the idea of attaching the motor to rudder in some creative way, but it would have to be easily engaged and disengaged from the cockpit, but that's a whole different project!

 

[daleyellin]

Marcus -- Your planned installation sounds very similar to what I am planning. The traveler too sounds similar in size, etc. (except mine is a 1 1/2" track.

Like you, I'm trying to determine how to clear the backstay. I'm thinking that going to a split backstay might be a solution.

Also, if you could post, or email me, pictures of your "towers" I'd appreciate it. The stainless towers I've been considering will take some modification to make them fit -- so copying what you are doing might be easier.

Dale

 

[marcus]

Yes Dale, I will send pictures as soon I can, after reading your reply I realized I typed the size of the I track wrong, mine is 1 1/4" but looks plenty strong for what we are trying to do!