O'Day 19 main halyard question

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Dec 20, 2011
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Oday 19 weekender New Milford,Ct.
Seems like a simple enough question but is the main halyard run external of the mast on an '81 model.I just got to inspecting the mast and never having seen one fully rigged it seems like an external setup with two pullies at the top one fore and aft.I didn't see any pully at the base for an internal halyard.Has anyone ever modified their mast to acomodate an internal Halyard?:confused:
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Seems like a simple enough question but is the main halyard run external of the mast on an '81 model.I just got to inspecting the mast and never having seen one fully rigged it seems like an external setup with two pullies at the top one fore and aft.I didn't see any pully at the base for an internal halyard.Has anyone ever modified their mast to accommodate an internal Halyard?:confused:
I have internal halyards on my 86 O'Day 222 and I like them. If you plan on doing this to your mast you may as well do the Jib Halyard as well. The question is, is your mast large enough for two internal halyard? Could you use your mast head and back sheave to get the halyard to enter without rubbing the edge of the mast? Are there any obstructions in the mast?
If you just make the Main Halyrard internal, you'll need and exit plate, an open clam cleat, and a horn cleat. If you do the Jib Halyard, you'll need a sheave block to install into the front of the mast. A mast winch mounted on a bracket would work for both halyards.
Right now, your mast is set up for external halyards. Is your Jib halyard external? If there's a strap and a sheave mounted on the front of your mast, it must be external too.
The best way to find out whether you can do this is to remove your stays and spreaders and lay your mast out on something that will allow you to check it out at a good working height.
You'd need to remove the mast head and the mast tabernackle with the plug. A good spar rigger could do this job pretty fast.
This is what it would look like:
 

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Dec 20, 2011
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Oday 19 weekender New Milford,Ct.
Thanks Joe,Yes The mast is big enough for both halyards.I was thinking I might later try an asymetrical chute that I could use that front mast sheave for.Actually That is what I first thought it was for.Silly me,external halyards, how vintage.
I like your setup.Do those clam cleats hold well?Aluminum ones I assume.what is the horn cleat used for?
That bottom picture,is that the mast head?Thanks,Barry
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Thanks Joe,Yes The mast is big enough for both halyards.I was thinking I might later try an asymetrical chute that I could use that front mast sheave for.Actually That is what I first thought it was for.Silly me,external halyards, how vintage.
I like your setup.Do those clam cleats hold well?Aluminum ones I assume.what is the horn cleat used for?
That bottom picture,is that the mast head?Thanks,Barry
Barry,
The clam cleats are metal. The way it works is: You pull on the halyard to get the Mainsail up. Then take three wraps around the mast winch and while standing in front of the mast without stepping on your hatch, you pull the sail up tight and with your left hand move the halyard into the clam cleat and continue holding it while you pull the wraps straight out off the drum with your right hand and cleat the halyard off on the halyard cleat. The same operation will work with the Jib halyard. The clam cleats are mounted a little off center from the exit plates and cleats so that the halyard can be let off without catching in the clams.
The clam cleats are only used to hold the tension of the halyard just long enough so that you can cleat the halyard off on the horn cleat.

When you go to let the halyard off you untie the halyard at the cleat, take three wraps around the winch drum and pull the halyard to get it off the clam and let the sail down. The winch handle is not needed. In fact, I never have a need for the winch handle for my Gennie winches.
These clam cleats are great on a boat.
I have a large plastic open clam cleat behind each of my Gennie winches which are on the combings.
That bottom picture is the mast head. You can see the halyard inside the mast just under the mast sheave. I replace that sheave a few years ago and used a stainless steel bolt with a lock nut for the axle. The sheave turns on the smooth surface of the bolt. The original pin was pressed into the mast head, hense the bolt.

If you think hard enough, you can make almost anything work on these boats. I just built a mast plug out of Trex and PVC Foam Board last month and mounted it on my mast. I know it's going to work because I built a similar mast extrusion out of Trex last summer and sailed my boat for weeks.

It will take a little figuring on your part, but I think that you could set up your mast similar to mine.
I think that Rudy has all the hardware that you need like the exit plates and the Jib sheave block. http://www.drmarine.com/
I bought a Jib sheave block off him a few years ago and installed it myself. It has a metal sheave and I had to cut a small square hole in my mast with a Dremel Tool and bend the tabs on the block to fit the curvature of the mast. I drilled and tapped the holes for threaded machine screws to hold the block.
I only use this Jib Halyard for raising/lowering my mast as my CDI Roller Furler has it's own built in halyard. I put a lot of strain on that sheave block and it's held like a champ so far.
Joe
 

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Dec 20, 2011
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Oday 19 weekender New Milford,Ct.
Thanks Joe for your detailed explanation and pictures.I'm pretty sure I will internalize those halyards but still working on other projects.Just finished bottom painting and just last night a box from D&R arrived containing my new centerboard pin and pendant line.Should have her back on the trailer any day.Then to build a mast caddy system.By then,with the weather being so nice,I may go for a sail.Maybe internal halyards by fall.
Oh and by the way,That 5200 is holding fast on the deck to hull repair.Looks as good as new.I puttied that stuff in all the way around the boat as you could see some cracking in many areas.That should keep the water out.Thanks again Joe!
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Thanks Joe for your detailed explanation and pictures.I'm pretty sure I will internalize those halyards but still working on other projects.Just finished bottom painting and just last night a box from D&R arrived containing my new centerboard pin and pendant line.Should have her back on the trailer any day.Then to build a mast caddy system.By then,with the weather being so nice,I may go for a sail.Maybe internal halyards by fall.
Oh and by the way,That 5200 is holding fast on the deck to hull repair.Looks as good as new.I puttied that stuff in all the way around the boat as you could see some cracking in many areas.That should keep the water out.Thanks again Joe!
Boy you've been busy! I just bottom painted my boat yesterday. Tomorrow I'm going to load her on the trailer. I can't wait to get my mast up. I'll probably raise the mast on Friday. I won't be able to get her in the water till the end of next month when our mooring balls and docks get installed at the YC.
I just stopped at Rudy's store today to get a cup washer for my back stay. I lost one last year. Rudy was busy making up a custom made tip up rudder for an O'Day Mariner. He showed me a large stock of Mahogany rudder blades for this boat.
I'm happy that everthing worked out great for you Barry. If you ever install internal halyards on your boat you're going to love them as I do.
Smooth Sailing!
Joe
 
Dec 20, 2011
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Oday 19 weekender New Milford,Ct.
Hi Joe,I worked all day on the boat.Got the new pin and daggerboard installed along with the new pendant line that Rudy sent me.Then i managed to nervously single hand the boat back onto the trailer a few inches at a time.Could have used a hand as it wasn't as stable as I would have liked.Must've been in and out of the truck twenty times.But then I was able to complete the bottom painting.Next project is the mast caddy setup.Maybe a maiden voyage in a week or so.
I'd like to see Rudy's place sometime.Happy to hear your mast is going up.Sure is early spring around here.Cheers,Barry
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Hi Joe,I worked all day on the boat.Got the new pin and daggerboard installed along with the new pendant line that Rudy sent me.Then i managed to nervously single hand the boat back onto the trailer a few inches at a time.Could have used a hand as it wasn't as stable as I would have liked.Must've been in and out of the truck twenty times.But then I was able to complete the bottom painting.Next project is the mast caddy setup.Maybe a maiden voyage in a week or so.
I'd like to see Rudy's place sometime.Happy to hear your mast is going up.Sure is early spring around here.Cheers,Barry
Trying to move a trailer under a boat hull is always dangerous and time consuming. I'm planning on getting my boat on the trailer today. It used to take me about 20 minutes to get my boat on the roller trailer years ago. With this tandem bunk trailer it takes me the good part of a whole day.
If you're ever planning on visiting Rudy's store, you should call first to make sure he'll be there on that day. Too many times I've stopped in there and the place was locked up and Rudy was gone. He lives right next door to the barn that he works out of.
Assonet is a quaint little village with a lot of old houses that date back to the eighteen and nineteen century. Rudy lives in one of these old houses and on the other side of his house is an old country inn with great seafood called "The Assonet Inn."
Anyway, spring is finally here and I'm loving it.
Joe
 
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