By the looks of it, that ship is an LNG tanker. If you try that stunt in Boston harbor, one or more of the several tugboats surrounding the tanker will push you out of the way. Then, the police boats (USCG, Boston Police, MA Environmental Police, and more) will pick straws to see which one boards you first.
Obvious who has right of way on this one!
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Jes, several years ago my wife and I were in San Diego. We chartered a smallish sailboat, maybe 18' or so. As we were sailing in the bay, I think, I told my wife, sitting opposite, "Get ready to tack". she asked why, and I pointed behind her. She looked around to see an aircraft carrier steaming into the bay. She just said, "O.K. then!"
Note: we don't have many encounters like that here in Lake Pontchartrain.
Note: we don't have many encounters like that here in Lake Pontchartrain.
Will you people get off this poor sailors back! Makes no difference,,, 4 horn blasts, 5 horn blasts or more,,, He'll learn who has the RIGHT-OF-Way in short order, when going up against that puppy! What the hay??? even if he don't learn BEFORE he ventures out, he will only make more "right of way" (Read that "room" ) for me, and a safer waterway for all of us with a bit of common sense. Sooooo, get off the guys back!
hooyasailor
Cap’t, "TOO MUCH" sailing sloop
hooyasailor
Cap’t, "TOO MUCH" sailing sloop
only one of many reasons to exit this bay -- is wicked weird here anymore--i cant wait to sail out of here--too much military peacocking.... much noise pollution...is peaceful in gulf--want back there.....
I'm sure you already have this, but might want it share it with the ex GF: http://www.boatus.com/onlinecourse/documents/rules.html#pecking
Pecking Order:
1. Overtaken vessel (top priority)
2. Vessel not under command
3. Vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver
4. Vessel constrained by its draft
5. Fishing vessel (commercial fishing or trawling but not trolling)
6. Sailing vessel (engine not on)
7. Power-driven vessel
Sailboats under sail are higher on the order than power boats and yachts (as long as they do not have right of way because of being in a channel when the sailboat isn't), but I never assume that the oncoming Rodney Dangerfield is watching out for me (or anything else) or knows which of us has right of way.
:cussing:We have brother and sister sailors out there that believe (down to the smelly insoles of their docksiders) that as long as their sails are up, they are the gods of the sea.
I'm with you, I'd rather control the situation and not be squashed flat by not getting worked up and possibly placing my boat, crew and self in danger.
I have a healthy fear of shipping and stay WELL away from them. It amazes me when people don't and I feel bad for the people at the helm of the large shiip as they have to deal with the ignorant few. However, one thing comes to mind: "I learned that driving the Saratoga...." (quote from Captain Ron). Sorry, had to be said!
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Just in case anyone might be interested. The ship pictured in this photo is the Matthew, a Norwegian owned vessel transporting LNG from Trinidad to Boston. My son is an engineering cadet from Mass Maritime Academy and was aboard her for three months last summer. No tanker is something not to give way too, but especially not this one. I was sailing into Boston Harbor this weekend and she was being tugged out of the Mystic River on her way back to Trinidad. She is a force to be avoided.
No one's posted the famous poem yet, so I'll do the honors:
Here lies the grave of Michael O'Day
Who died maintaining his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he sailed along,
But he's just as dead as if he'd been dead wrong.
(Of course the two boats' skippers in the photo were "dead wrong" - and would have to be buried at sea and wouldn't have a grave stone, to boot - so maybe the poem is not quite appropos.)
[Edit - changed "limerick" to "poem", "Daniel" to "Michael", and "sped" to "sailed"]
Got that right! A tanker was steamin out when I was taking a sailing course early spring this year on the harbor and all the bells and whistles were blown and the parade began. Everyone including the 2 black rock colgates we were part of ran for the sidelines and stayed well away of all the action. Everyone I saw was well behaved and for good reason as stated above. They were not messing around and the instructors were quite aware of this. Good experience and instruction there has given this begining sailor respect. No excuse for those 2 boats to be anywhere near a tanker like that, or any other for that matter. Its kinda like the idiots who take their chances trying to snake through the train barriers before the locamotive hammers through the intersection. Good luck morons!
God Bless, jimmyb
Rules of the road
The tanker is under tow. Restricted in its ability to maneveur. Has right away/
EWven if Ship was not under tow it would still have 'right of way' due to fact that it is restricted in its ability to maneuver.
Does anyone know how lmany boats lengths this ships need to stop or alter coarse/
Alot for sure Keep clear of Large Ships its basically a common knowledge thing and if you were to get run over the captain would not even have to do more than fill out some paperwork/
Under the prime directive, I think the tanker must share some of the blame.
Paul
The tanker is under tow. Restricted in its ability to maneveur. Has right away/
EWven if Ship was not under tow it would still have 'right of way' due to fact that it is restricted in its ability to maneuver.
Does anyone know how lmany boats lengths this ships need to stop or alter coarse/
Alot for sure Keep clear of Large Ships its basically a common knowledge thing and if you were to get run over the captain would not even have to do more than fill out some paperwork/
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Mike, thank you for sharing this from the big (BIG) vessels' perspective.
Here is one on YouTube that you all may already have seen, which illustrates the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkqKpnU8sCE&feature=related
This guy suffered the consequences for his stupidity.
We have run into similar problems with other boaters thinking they need to get to the gasdock in a crowded marina, pull directly in front of us - and stop. We can't simply stop on a dime. And, to be maneuverable, and especially in any wind, we have to keep way on. Sometimes I just have to wonder, raise both hands up in the air, and think to myself, "what were you thinking?"...
yes there are RULES and consequences
Like a yeild sign or speed limit sign Of course tou can argue with the cop pulling you over after you caused an accident and possibly killed some on That " rules do not apply"
If you cause a collission at Sea by not following the rules of the Road you will be fined and possibly improsined by USCG and rightfully so.
Most experienced and licensed captains are aware of this and respect the "RULES OF THE ROAD' Navaigational Laws.
Rules of the Road are Rules which need to be followed
Like a yeild sign or speed limit sign Of course tou can argue with the cop pulling you over after you caused an accident and possibly killed some on That " rules do not apply"
If you cause a collission at Sea by not following the rules of the Road you will be fined and possibly improsined by USCG and rightfully so.
Most experienced and licensed captains are aware of this and respect the "RULES OF THE ROAD' Navaigational Laws.
Thanks Cap'n Mike, I should dust off the 169 and 172. It's apparently been longer than I thought.
It takes money, but obviously not brains to buy a sail/power boat. Might is always right. When driving, these idiots probably pull out in front of loaded logging trucks too!
Time to up-date your knowledge
Gentlemen
THERE IS NO LONGER ANY "RIGHT OF WAY" IN THE RULES!
There is only the "burdened vessel and the "stand on" vessel!
And all that falls by the way-side because "the last vessel which CAN avoid a collision, shall avoid a collision" period.
In any case all you pleasure sailors MUST stay out of the way of ANY commercial vessel, period.
For those of us who operate commercial vessels, those of you who play "chicken" with us are risking our livelihood and professional careers.
I personally would rather hit a plastic boat than run the 104 year old schooner I operate with 25 passengers and 3 crew aboard, aground to avoid you. Much less chance of injuring my passengers and less damage to my vessel. And that is supposing that I even saw you with that many people milling around the deck. If in your misguided pleasure boating minds you think that the USCG and your insurance company will side with you against a commercial vessel, especially a certified vessel carrying passengers, think again. It is generally considered imprudent seamanship to get within 100 feet of any commercial vessel when you are out playing.
So do not take any chances with your lives or my livelihood, KEEP CLEAR of any commercial vessel even if you think you might be the stand on vessel.
Gentlemen
THERE IS NO LONGER ANY "RIGHT OF WAY" IN THE RULES!
There is only the "burdened vessel and the "stand on" vessel!
And all that falls by the way-side because "the last vessel which CAN avoid a collision, shall avoid a collision" period.
In any case all you pleasure sailors MUST stay out of the way of ANY commercial vessel, period.
For those of us who operate commercial vessels, those of you who play "chicken" with us are risking our livelihood and professional careers.
I personally would rather hit a plastic boat than run the 104 year old schooner I operate with 25 passengers and 3 crew aboard, aground to avoid you. Much less chance of injuring my passengers and less damage to my vessel. And that is supposing that I even saw you with that many people milling around the deck. If in your misguided pleasure boating minds you think that the USCG and your insurance company will side with you against a commercial vessel, especially a certified vessel carrying passengers, think again. It is generally considered imprudent seamanship to get within 100 feet of any commercial vessel when you are out playing.
So do not take any chances with your lives or my livelihood, KEEP CLEAR of any commercial vessel even if you think you might be the stand on vessel.
Re: Time to up-date your knowledge
When you are playing in a work area it is polite, prudent, good policy and smart to make way for the working guy. Don't be a jerk and think that it is your turn to cross the channel or to go through a door or to grab the elevator when some one is working and trying to make a living is also out there getting in your way. What is your hurry? Where is the fire?
When you are playing in a work area it is polite, prudent, good policy and smart to make way for the working guy. Don't be a jerk and think that it is your turn to cross the channel or to go through a door or to grab the elevator when some one is working and trying to make a living is also out there getting in your way. What is your hurry? Where is the fire?
Clear violation of homeland security regs...
The sailboat skipper made several errors. In so doing, she/he/it endangered both his crew and vessel. (I can only assume she/he/it has a deathwish). From a legal point of view, he appears to have also violated homeland security regulations, forbidding passing in close proximity to a commercial vessel. So not only did the skipper risk a major collision and civil fines, she/he/it also risked criminal prosecution!
The sailboat skipper made several errors. In so doing, she/he/it endangered both his crew and vessel. (I can only assume she/he/it has a deathwish). From a legal point of view, he appears to have also violated homeland security regulations, forbidding passing in close proximity to a commercial vessel. So not only did the skipper risk a major collision and civil fines, she/he/it also risked criminal prosecution!
On the topic of working sailor behavior, sometimes they're able to be nice and get the job done:
There's a older gent on the Northern Potomac who runs a charter/tour on a cigarette style boat. He is absolutely the most considerate (and skillful) motor boater who I have ever encountered. Every time he passes a sailboat, he slows until he's got almost no wake, then speeds up again the second he's past you. There will be what looks like a wall of wake going fore and after with a sailboat-sized notch just for you. A class act!
There's a older gent on the Northern Potomac who runs a charter/tour on a cigarette style boat. He is absolutely the most considerate (and skillful) motor boater who I have ever encountered. Every time he passes a sailboat, he slows until he's got almost no wake, then speeds up again the second he's past you. There will be what looks like a wall of wake going fore and after with a sailboat-sized notch just for you. A class act!
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