NYC Sailing

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Roger

I am hoping to cruise down from Cape Cod to NYC this summer in our C-27 inboard. ( Hope, like Spring, springs eternal.) I was in NYC yesterday watching considerable ice flow down the Hudson. Several questions for any experienced hands in those waters: I assume the Hudson is tidal in NYC- how far upstream does it become a river? How fast are the currents in the Hudson? (The ice seemed to be moving downstream at quite a clip). How tough is it to take a C-27 under power through Hellgate? Is it adviseable to turn into the Harlem River and go to the Hudson that way (from Long Island Sound) to circumnavigate Manhatten like the Circle Line does? Thanks in advance for any advice
 
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The Hudson river can be traveled to albaney andthen to lake champlain throw locks. the salt water gos up streem to around west point .(I think) This is where the river gets Thin and deep but I ve seen larg boat going up streem I think the water is going about 4 knots under the bear mountin bridge.This is anasty little spot.But you should be Ok Ive was on a C28 and had no problem. early spring will be tougher .hells gate is allso fast water Ive been throw it meany times in a power boat never in a sail boat.There are low bridges that openIf you call in to them but there was only one that we couldent get under with a30' fishing boat the rest I dont no about.As far as comeing in the harlum river from theLI sound as long as you go with the right tidethere should not be anty problem .I talked to a guy that kept his boat in sandy hook NJ and he would take hisC30 throw NY harber, up the river to LI sound and back allmost every week end.But He repowered with a30hp moter .I think the boat had a UM25 20HP ? sounds like a nice trip JOlson
 
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Roger -- You'll have no problem through NY harbor

if you plan it . Go back through the archives and you will find a post on how to time it. I assume the Hudson is tidal in NYC- how far upstream does it become a river? Yes it is, as the previous post said the Hudson has some tidal current up towards Albany, but I'm not sure how much. I think the Eldrdige tide book (the yellow one) should give you all the info. How fast are the currents in the Hudson? It varies. when you get towards NY Harbor it can be between 2-4 knots depending on where you are. As before get the Edlridge Tide book for hour by hour diagrams for tidail currents in NY Harbor AND Long Island Sound. How tough is it to take a C-27 under power through Hellgate? No problem at all just as long as you have a good working engine. I took my old Watkins 27 with a 15HP Yanmar up and down the East River many times. (In fact I had engine problems once and still got through fine.....Do not think you'll be able to sail through---the winds are very flukey and shifty) The secret is timing the floods and ebbing tides. If you do it correctly you will FLY through NY's East River. I had a GPS reading of almost 12 knots, just north of Hellgate, it not bad at all. The name (Hellsgate) is worse than the actually passing these days. In olden times when there where no engines and only sails, it was much tougher, plus there used to be a HUGE rock underwater right in Hells Gate. They removed it (Blew it up) over a century ago. Is it adviseable to turn into the Harlem River and go to the Hudson that way (from Long Island Sound) to circumnavigate Manhatten like the Circle Line does? No!....(I'll repeat it so it sticks) NO!...there is absolutely NO reason to go that way, there are a million low bridges on the Harlem river and they won't all just open for you. I think you might even need to notify the CG and other departments in advance.....Don't do it. It will be the biggest hassle of your life. The East River is EASY and if you time it correctly you will ricochet down the river and right back up the Hudson with the tide (I've done it). It's just timing. Plus why would you want to miss veiwing NY City on your own boat. It is a special feeling, plus you can sail past lower NY and Lady Liberty (a very special sight on your own boat....its the best!). Plus you can imagine what it might have been like to sail past the Twin Towers and pay your respects. Get the Eldridge guide....not only for NY Harbor but also timing tides on LI Sound. Its amazing how many extra miles you can make a day by timing the tides on Long island Sound. Its a 2 to 3 knot differential going against or with the tide. Good luck
 
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Ron

Tom's advice is right-on

I've done this trip the other way on a 78' schooner back in '97. I joined the crew in Manhatten & we took the boat up to Portland, ME. Seeing NYC from the river is a great experience. I was born/raised there, left when I was 17, but always get a kick out of seeing all the changes to the city. Timing is everything. We got into Hell's Gate just a bit too far off the slack current and the current really yawed the boat for a bit going around the bend. I really appreciated that 250hp engine ... Adding to Tom's comments: 1. Study the Inland Waterway Rules -- they are a bit different on the rivers. There is a lot of commercial traffic on the East & Hudson Rivers. 2. The NJ side of the Hudson across from NYC offers numerous marinas that are lower priced than Manhatten. 3. Make sure your engine & fuel systems, etc. are in top shape before tackling the East River/Hell's Gate/Hudson River. Also, have ground tackle ready to deploy in a hurry. 4. Watch out for the wakes in the river. Fast moving tugs can really send in the rollers! 5. As Tom said, stay out of the Harlem River unless you're in a low moterboat. --Ron
 
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