Not Sea worthy???

[serenity4u2]

This is to... Rich (P303... You seem to think my oppinion regarding SMALL Boats that have a true off shore record and are viewed by most ALL blue water sailing experts as sea wothy are false..... You post a some what insulting comment directed at me... Your Post as follows...."""" Serenity4U2... A life raft is seaworthy... would you like to make that trip? I stand at 28' to be minimally comfortable (you can stand up down below.)28' would be a "seaworthy" coastal cruiser.My Pearson 303 is a Coastal Cruiser... nothing more. """"This in response to someone asking aboyt samll boats 20 foot range that are blue water boats... I stated very clearly that both the Flicka 22 and the Dana 24, made by Pacific Seacraft are blue water cruisers with a PROVEN track record... Mnny sail each year out of SF on a 'solo" Trans Pac run to HI.... Many have sailed around the world... Yes, your pearson is a coastal bost... It is no Dana or Flicka..Nor is it a life raft.... My suggestion to that person regarding small blue water boats was directed to him... So, please keep your personal attacks against me to yourself. Especially since you clearly do not not know what constitutes a blue water pocket cruiser, by you own statement that the flicka or Dana is a life raft...

 

[Rich (P303)]

Whatever...

you need to lighten up Serenity4u2. Comment wasn't directed at you. Just a general note in overall size and comfortability for blue water crusing.A week on my boat and I am ready for the Titanic.My Hobie 16 is more seawothy than the Pearson... however a little uncomfortable.I never said a Flika or Dana is a life raft... you did and are reading between the linesGo over to the "Sails Call Lounge" if you want to see what attacked is.Time to move on. Pacific Seacraft are very well made boats.

 

[serenity4u2]

Lighten NO - Sea worthy

Then why did you single my name out???? Plus it was obvious that the life raft comment was meant to to be an insult... You have yet to prove that a flicka or a Dana Pacific seacraft is not built as a blue water boat.... By, the way.... I did send you an email yesterday wondering why the personal address aginst me in the forum... I noticed you never replied back? As far as my oppinion that the Flicka 20 and the Dana 24 are the only boats I know in the 20 foot range with a offshore proven record, well... the proof is out there. No person with any boat understanding would question the quality of a Pacific Seacraft Flicka or a Dana... So, rather then tell me to lighten up... at leat extend an appology for singling me out in a forum with sarcastic comments...

 

[serenity4u2]

ps

I also posted that email yesterday in the forum.... So, my sincerity is proven. It disgusts me that some people want to bash another person for having a specific view on a boat... Especially when that view is WIDELY excepted by blue water cruisers... Regarding the Flicka and the Dana

 

[Maine Sail]

Serenity..

Chill !!!!!! Find some serenity buddy before you blow a gasket...This is what I saw and read.1) Guy posts about a beat up 22 footer to sail to Panama2) Many say not a good boat and not in workable condition.3) Serenity steps in offering up a recommendation of a Flicka (clearly not even in the same league and NOT apples to apples price wise either).4) OP says my budget is 5k (read NO Pacific Seacraft's) and lays out two possible options and a third option of "is there a third option I should consider"?5) Rich answers with an answer to the third option suggestion as in: ("Suggestions? Is there a 3rd option I should consider?") of 28 feet as a minimum guideline and says "not MANY seaworthy 22 footers" and talks about being able to stand up.6) Rich stated "NOT MANY" and never stated "NOT ANY" seaworthy 22 footers and we all can read a string and understand he is referring to the 5k price point when he states this.7) Rich NEVER stated the Flicka or Dana were not seaworthy and only stated that they would be cramped and suggested the third option of bigger offers more comfort..As I see it you have tried to start a food fight for no apparent reason..If you plan on sticking around here for any time you'll need a much thicker skin than what you have displayed thus far. If you consider Rich's post an insult you have a lot to learn about SBO. Trust me there are bullies in this sand box but Rich is not one of them.Rich's comment about the life raft was pure tongue in cheek not a personal attack.....!As I read it that was NOT a personal attack, or an insult on you, the Dana or the Flicka's seaworthy abilities it was purely about COMFORT and answering the OP with a suggestion for a third option!!!!

 

[serenity4u2]

OK Rich

I could use your words.. Read your POST... WHATEVER.... Hardly a civil way to start a post. If you scroll back to that persons posts.. You will see I was trying to help him. I was trying to steer him to websites that have and teach off shore classes... I even addressed you in there as well... That post was emailed to you... The person rethought his goals and is moving on.. I was trying to help him without discouraging him.. Believe it is better to help a person see thier own errors and correct themselves, rather then just beat up on him.... Scroll you will see this to be factual.... Still, no appology? LOL.. did not think I'd get one..

 

[CharlieCobra]

This is a forum.

There are a couple of crusty folks in here just like any other forum. Don't sweat it cause it's only the internet. They typically have a good knowledge base and only a slightly biased view of things. They just don't play well with others at times.

 

[serenity4u2]

Thanks

Really Appreciate that comment.... It should be clear that all I was trying to do was help a new person see what is really practical.. My own posts state I'd never cross an ocean in a 20 foot boat.. Yet, if I was going to- it would be a flicka or dana... By the way, fellow WA sailor.... do you know that WA is now building the new DANA'S www.seacraft.com

 

[Rob Hessenius]

Peace

Serenity~Settle down, life is too short to sweat the small stuff! I really don't see where Rich attacked you. His belief is that he wants at least 28' of a boat. There is proof that Flicka's and Dana's have spun the world. So has a lot of junk!To me you are all over his case because of your perception!

 

[CharlieCobra]

serenity4u2, Nice!

That looks to be a well turned out little cruiser. Too small for me though.

 

[serenity4u2]

Peace is Good

I like Peace.... I was trying to help a person who obviously had no clue what it would take to sail a 22 foot boat to Panama... I steered him to very helpful websites... He obviously had / has a dream and who am I to kill anothers dream.. I was trying to be helpful and that is all.. If you read the entire scroll you would see this to be the truth. Both Flicka's and Dana's do have a proven record, not that I would sail one as this guy desires... I do know they are tough little boats... They do have a proven track record for the person who desires to embark on a quest- that I'd never consider... Can you tell me another boat that has the same proven record that a dana or flicka has on the open ocean? Very few boats are built for off shore cruising, (in that size range). In fact most boat are not built for off shore period... The experts all say if if off shore is your goal you have eliminated 95 percent of most boats... Pacisific Seacraft did a great job making a small pocket cruiser capable of such a voyage... Yes, the life raft comment was directed personally at me... not the forum... Rich knows this because I sent him an email last night after reading his sarcastic reply... I can post that email on here or forward a copy to any who do not believe I am speaking truthfully.. Rich knows I am... He is just to arrogabt to admit he attacked a person without merit... Being salty means nothing to me... Especially if that salt is aquired on the coast... The original forum was about off shore...

 

[Maine Sail]

Serenity DROP IT!!

Quote Serenity:"He is just to arrogabt to admit he attacked a person without merit"Now why don't you apologize to rich for calling him arrogant or "arrogabt" which I'm guessing is supposed to mean arrogant? I've been on these forums for over ten years and this is the most ridiculous excuse of a food fight, I've witnessed, in the hundreds of thousands of posts on this board. Grow up and drop it he made NO personal attack. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill and really making your self look worse with each post. For your own sake quit while you can.NO ONE EVER DENIED THE FLICKA AND DANA ARE NOT SEAWORTHY!!! INCLUDING RICH!P.S. the Eastsail is another fine pocket cruiser built like a tank...Eastsail 25 http://www.eastsail.com/offshore25.htm

 

[serenity4u2]

So YouR the Defender

What is wrong with the man who had such a strong oppinion.... He had no problem singling me out and mocking me... Why does he need you to stick up for him... Do you also clean his bildges?

 

[newly anonymous]

actually...

...there's a Cal 20 signed up for this year's Singlehanded Transpac, but not a single Flicka.

 

[serenity4u2]

Good for the Cal

Good for the Cal... That would also meat the requirements of a life raft according to rich... I do know a Dana24 entering in the Trans Pac... John, scroll back to the original post... you will see I was trying to help a guy out not insult him...

 

[Ross]

Serenity, I think you need to modify your name.

Everyone on this forum has had a difference of opinion with another member over something. I have found that there is a segment that tries to baffle with BS when they can't dazzle you with brilliance. There are others that just put forth their opinions and allow others to take them or not. many of us have substantial experience in a broad range of vocations some are more limited in the experiences that life has offered them. Sometimes we believe we are correct and others misinterpret our writings. We don't need to be insulted by this it just isn't important. Sometimes somebody pushes my buttons and I wait until I have formulated an appropriate response before I say anything in reply.

 

[Maine Sail]

Now you're insulting me???

Quote Serenity:"Do you also clean his bildges?"Wow! Please learn to read and also to comprehend what you have read it will help you greatly in the future..Michael/Serenity you've shown yourself to be a true hypocrite by attacking a third party who NEVER attacked you. As a matter of fact I tried to help you not look like a guy who started a useless food fight but I digress.......

 

[serenity4u2]

Yess Ross

Ross, your point is well taken.... I read the critical remarks against me.. I thought about it.. POsted a reply in a humorous manner... GO READ... I also sent an email to Rich... I offer to send it to you if you care.... I believed his comment was insulting, especially if you read the entire forum.. You would see where my intentions were Ross... The person 9rich0 takes a (WHAT EVER) attitude... If he wants to get nasty- I can play the nasty card with the best. I gave him a chance privately to clear the matter up- HE REFUSED... I took it to the open forum... His attitude is what ever... I can take the same attitude Ross... The original forum speaks for itself.... Ross, I was about to drop the issue, until rich's bildge cleaner jumped in and went at me... My heart is actually in the right place... its about learning, helping when I can, encouraging when I can and not about sarcastic (Maine) charater traits... Thier right wing stoic and sarcastic attitude is not appreciated by myself... Maybe if it was not so frozen up there those people would be warm and human... I stand by my original posts.... They were helpful, and steered a person to good sources of info... I realize a life raft is sea worthy and NO i nor anyone I know would care to cross the pacific in one... By the way, is that life raft sea worthy? was it recently inspected or repacked? (it would be an off shore life raft, right?

 

[Rob Hessenius]

Knock It Off

Serenity you are making yourself look like a whiny bitch! You are acting like a five year old that needs a time-out! If you can't take the "phantom" heat get out of this kitchen! Stop your condisending little remarks it is not appreciated on this forum. So grow up and shut up!!!

 

[Maine Sail]

Cool...

Quote's From Serenity: "sarcastic (Maine) charater traits... Thier right wing stoic and sarcastic attitude" and "Maybe if it was not so frozen up there those people would be warm and human..."Cool, now I'm a "bilge cleaner" and a sarcastic Mainer who is a right winger. How does he know me so well when my politics have NEVER EVER been displayed here on this or any forum? Check my post not a SINGLE ONE of my 1000+ posts are in the off topic or sails call lounge yet I've been labeled???So far I have not made ONE derogatory remark against Serenity yet he has lambasted and labled me as a "bilge cleaner", having "sarcastic Maine character traits" and called me a "right wing stoic" and last but not least I am clearly not "human" because it's cold here. Very mature..As Borat would say "very nice"...