North VS. Bacon

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Sep 30, 2008
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Hunter 310 Bivalve, Md
All options being equal, Bacon Sails is about $200 cheaper than North Sails Direct in a package consisting of a new main, 135 roller jib, and a CDI flex furler. Anyone with experience with Bacon? They are close enough to drive to pick everything up, so that is another savings.
 
Oct 22, 2008
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- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I would be wary of installing a CDI flex furler on a boat the size of yours with a 135% genny. The Flex Furlers are not all the robustly built and can have some problems if the drum lifts and jams. IMHO, on boats over 26', you're much better off with a better, more robustly built furler, like a Furlex, Harken, Facnor, Alado, or Profurl.
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
I just bought a sail from Bacon and they delivered more than I expected. They have a reputation of under selling and over delivering. The people I spoke with were really good, but I knew exactly what I wanted so I was more or less just placing an order. The sail got to me in three days, so they did not delay in shipping.

I was very pleased.

Thread is here about the experience.

http://forums.oday.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=116500
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
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S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
I had the drum lifting and jamming problem on my Lancer 25...turned out I was missing a retaining pin to lock it down. I put a bolt through and the problem went away. However the flexible foil used to pump and squeak a lot. It could have been a lack of tension, but perhaps not as I messed with it many times and couldn't get it to go away.
 
Jun 7, 2004
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Schock 35 Seattle
Flexible Furlers are good for boats where the mast goes down to trailer a lot. Allows the foil to lie on the deck without breaking. If you do not take the mast down routinely a regular furler will work better. I'm surprised your two sailmakers didn't say anything to you.

The best sailmaker (in my opinion) is the one that comes to your boat, takes precision measurements, walks you through all the sail tradeoffs and costs, and is there when the sail is installed and the test sail is done.
 

Dave Groshong

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Jan 25, 2007
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Catalina 22 Seattle
I agree with SailingDog, the Harken cruising furler is nice, I don't think anyone can beat our price. Harken doesn't allow anyone to publish lower than MAP pricing, but give me a call if you're interested.

toll free 877-932-7245 x116, Mon-Fri, 9-5 Pacific
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Be aware that Bacon's is a sail broker, not a sail loft, per se, and does not make sails. Their new sails used to be made for them by Rolly Tasker in Thailand, but am not sure that is the loft they still use. I know a number of people who have purchased new and used sails from Bacons (including me) and agree that they all have been happy with the product. That said, I bought a new main from North some years ago and they came to my boat, took specific measurements, talked to me about options, and produced a good sail that is still in use. I am not sure that North Sails Direct would have done that as I believe they are a lower-cost, and lower service, subsidiary.

If price is a driver (and when isn't it?) and I were looking for package deal on a CDI furler and sails, I'd contact Bill James at FX Sails. See: http://www.fxsails.com/
 
Sep 30, 2008
195
Hunter 310 Bivalve, Md
Thanks for the replies, I priced FX and it was slightly higher. Maybe if I called it would be different. I did talk to North Direct about the CDI and they didn't mention it wasn't worth the money. I'm still investagating. I think I read the CDI was redesigned in 2009, but I'm not sure. I would really like to order something on monday, as the season it already here.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Pearson 26W Marblehead
cdi my 2c

Ive got a CDI model ff4 with bearings on my pearson 26W Its an 07 model. Its worked flawlessly for 3 seasons no problems with drum lifting. My boat is a bit smaller than yours
and sailingdog is pretty knowledgeable. But I would`nt think another two 2 feet of boat would
make that much difference. I usually use a 230 sq ft genoa again no problems. I did have a profurl on my previous boat a Pearson 10M. It cost a lot more. It worked ok but it was not without problems.
 
Jun 9, 2008
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Bacon is a great company to do business with. The folks who work there are wonderful and very helpful. If you ever walked in their "back room" it is full of used sails from Opti dinghies to Whitbread boats. But, they do not make sails in that location, but broker for another manufacturer. That is not a bad thing, just should be understood.
North is a very good sail making company and the best time to buy a North sail is in the fall when their volume is low and they offer discounts. As the fall progresses into winter, the discounts get smaller. Regardless of any sailmaker you must consider the material they use and the method of construction. Some cheaper sails are cheaper for a reason. The denier is less in the material and that directly relates to quality. Other ways sailmakers cut costs are to put in fewer hanks in the luff and foot of a sail, for instant, or use cheaper hardware. Cross cut sails are cheaper for a good reason. They are simply put together and have less seams to sew (or glue). Radial sail patterns are more work to put together, but provide better shapes for performance. You have to consider what you use your sails for, how much money you have to spend, etc.
 
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