Hi -Just went and looked at my first Vega 27 today http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4169003674.html and posted pics in the album here -'2144 Denny in Sebastopol'I am a little overwhelmed as it looks like it is going to be a lot of work to get this little one into shape. I did not see anything major other than it needs power. That issue and the others seem to be accurately addressed in the ad and the owner just elaborated as I scurried around taking pics. I will be returning soon to do a more thorough inspection with Don Casey's Inspecting book in hand along w/ a notepad. Not sure about a survey yet.I spent 10 yrs as Chief Eng on Research Vessels off the CA coast and crewed a bit back in the 70's on Knarrs, but other than that I am new to sailing and these fiberglass sailboats. I have been reading and reading and studying and studying for the last month or so to get myself up to speed. My fist choice was a IF Marieholm, then I seriously considered the Tanzer 22 and then this Vega came up. It is within walking distance of my home and it is on a trailer. I will be doing some sailing in SF as much as possible over the next few months.Anyway, if I get it - I'll be back!Any comments, warnings, suggestions or humorous ridicule would be greatly appreciated.Thanks - Denny from Sebastopol
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Hi -Just went and looked at my first Vega 27 today http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4169003674.html and posted pics in the album here -\'2144 Denny in Sebastopol\'I am a little overwhelmed as it looks like it is going to be a lot of work to get this little one into shape. I did not see anything major other than it needs power. That issue and the others seem to be accurately addressed in the ad and the owner just elaborated as I scurried around taking pics. I will be returning soon to do a more thorough inspection with Don Casey\'s Inspecting book in hand along w/ a notepad. Not sure about a survey yet.I spent 10 yrs as Chief Eng on Research Vessels off the CA coast and crewed a bit back in the 70\'s on Knarrs, but other than that I am new to sailing and these fiberglass sailboats. I have been reading and reading and studying and studying for the last month or so to get myself up to speed. My fist choice was a IF Marieholm, then I seriously considered the Tanzer 22 and then this Vega came up. It is within walking distance of my home and it is on a trailer. I will be doing some sailing in SF as much as possible over the next few months.Anyway, if I get it - I\'ll be back!Any comments, warnings, suggestions or humorous ridicule would be greatly appreciated.Thanks - Denny from Sebastopol
Hi -Just went and looked at my first Vega 27 today http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4169003674.html and posted pics in the album here -\'2144 Denny in Sebastopol\'I am a little overwhelmed as it looks like it is going to be a lot of work to get this little one into shape. I did not see anything major other than it needs power. That issue and the others seem to be accurately addressed in the ad and the owner just elaborated as I scurried around taking pics. I will be returning soon to do a more thorough inspection with Don Casey\'s Inspecting book in hand along w/ a notepad. Not sure about a survey yet.I spent 10 yrs as Chief Eng on Research Vessels off the CA coast and crewed a bit back in the 70\'s on Knarrs, but other than that I am new to sailing and these fiberglass sailboats. I have been reading and reading and studying and studying for the last month or so to get myself up to speed. My fist choice was a IF Marieholm, then I seriously considered the Tanzer 22 and then this Vega came up. It is within walking distance of my home and it is on a trailer. I will be doing some sailing in SF as much as possible over the next few months.Anyway, if I get it - I\'ll be back!Any comments, warnings, suggestions or humorous ridicule would be greatly appreciated.Thanks - Denny from Sebastopol
The only thing that stood out was the the idea of sailing to Baja this winter. I suppose if you have a LOT of time and money...otherwise, maybe next winter? The survey is worth the money, especially if you are not able to perform an adequate survey yourself. I'm new to the board but have sailed plastic boats for 20+ years (which actually isn't that long on this board). If the survey comes back with no structural issues, then a boat for a $1 may be worth it if you can do the work yourself. However, sometimes you get what you pay for.Do a search on this site...I know I've seen Vega's for sale here and on Good Old Boat and SailingTexas. I wouldn't worry too much about price and shipping. When we bought our Vega about 10 years ago, we got it for $6000 below list and it only cost $1500 to ship.Best of luck with the search. You won't be disappointed with a Vega on the west coast. The best thing about this boat is that she takes care of her crew and is very forgiving.BW
Hallo Denny,Good luck with the restoration of your Vega. Looks like a lot of work and you are lucky because you have there seems to be no engine in it. I would strongly recommend getting an electric motor in place. No diesel, which is old technology and prices are just as high. Nowadays there are fantastic options. For example, a pod motor. Clean, quiet, less weight, hardly maintenance. Takes up far less space. The engine technology is already very good. The new revolution has to come from the batteries, but I assume that will be fine some day. Our Vega 3384 stil has a good engine, but if it is worn out, we'll know what to do. If you would electrify the boat it would be to me the first electric Vega. (as far as I know).
Thank you all for all the kind replies.
The Baja thing was not from me but from the seller. I am more of a PNW fan. If I headed south it would be much farther than Baja!
Anyway - I have been repeatedly warned not to take on any project boats (very sane advice in almost all circumstances) - rather go ahead and spend more in an effort to get a turn-key boat, if there is such a thing. I found a couple of such Vegas up in and around Vancouver Canada which is about a 16 hr drive and then I would need to trailer it down during the wrong time of year. Most of them do not have trailers. They are all priced above what I can lay my hands on not even considering the trailer or the transporation costs.
The one I am considering now is on a trailer, suffers no major defects, but does not show well at all. Needs major clean up and paint and many little TLC items. It has some powering options from the seller - a fresh factory rebuilt Bukh DV10 (most expensive), a running (unkown hrs) Universal M15 or no power - where the owner is suggesting I get a Mayer mount http://mayersmotormount.com/description.php and Yamaha 9.9 long shaft High Thrust on my own later. I think that last option is a pretty good idea even though I like diesels (just not in my ear).
I once was the Chief Engineer on a Diesel Electric research boat that had 5 diesels on board - kind of a love/hate thing!
The seller and I are not too close on the price, but he is literally 1/2 mile from my house and has been an incredible resource for me so far as I learn what I need to learn in this whole process.
I like the idea of pouring over the boat and fixing up all the little things in order to know her better inside and out; which makes it a safer sailboat. (see how long that lasts!)
So as I talk myself into what I am going to do only a few decisions remain.
Thanks again for your kind replies - Esp Manning ( I think I get it. )
PS I am having a hell of a time using Yahoo Groups since I use an older Mac browser and older PC browsers elsewhere. It takes me forever to navigate anywhere and/or to post replies. They really junked it up!
The Baja thing was not from me but from the seller. I am more of a PNW fan. If I headed south it would be much farther than Baja!
Anyway - I have been repeatedly warned not to take on any project boats (very sane advice in almost all circumstances) - rather go ahead and spend more in an effort to get a turn-key boat, if there is such a thing. I found a couple of such Vegas up in and around Vancouver Canada which is about a 16 hr drive and then I would need to trailer it down during the wrong time of year. Most of them do not have trailers. They are all priced above what I can lay my hands on not even considering the trailer or the transporation costs.
The one I am considering now is on a trailer, suffers no major defects, but does not show well at all. Needs major clean up and paint and many little TLC items. It has some powering options from the seller - a fresh factory rebuilt Bukh DV10 (most expensive), a running (unkown hrs) Universal M15 or no power - where the owner is suggesting I get a Mayer mount http://mayersmotormount.com/description.php and Yamaha 9.9 long shaft High Thrust on my own later. I think that last option is a pretty good idea even though I like diesels (just not in my ear).
I once was the Chief Engineer on a Diesel Electric research boat that had 5 diesels on board - kind of a love/hate thing!
The seller and I are not too close on the price, but he is literally 1/2 mile from my house and has been an incredible resource for me so far as I learn what I need to learn in this whole process.
I like the idea of pouring over the boat and fixing up all the little things in order to know her better inside and out; which makes it a safer sailboat. (see how long that lasts!)
So as I talk myself into what I am going to do only a few decisions remain.
Thanks again for your kind replies - Esp Manning ( I think I get it. )
PS I am having a hell of a time using Yahoo Groups since I use an older Mac browser and older PC browsers elsewhere. It takes me forever to navigate anywhere and/or to post replies. They really junked it up!
Hi Denny,The Vega is definitely a great boat if you're looking for a pocket cruiser you can take anywhere. I bought mine 4 years ago and it was definitely a project boat, though I've taken the rebuild to extreme. I know every inch of the boat and can fix it all myself. The boat should be ready to go back in the water in the first part of next year. I'm going to retire next year and I wanted it ready for that. I've documented all the work on my website. Feel free to browse and ask questions. Good luck on your journey and fair winds...Rics/v Blue Max#2692www.ric-maxfield.net
Hi Ric,your site looks great!I would like to write an article about it in Dutch e-magazine "de PolyClassic Zeiler".Will contact you offgroup.Rob KloostermanOp 8 dec. 2013 om 03:55 heeft n6ric@... het volgende geschreven:
Richard,One of the reasons I decided to go with the 15hp engine is that it puts out 12 amps instead of the 6 amps on the 9.9hp. You're right,it's not a lot of charging capability. To supplement it I will have solar, plus I bought a Honda eu2000 generator that takes up very little room and uses very little gas. I had thought about going electric, but at this time IMHO the batteries are too heavy and too expensive. I plan on doing some cruising when I retire and didn't want to be strapped to an electrical cord. Besides, we're out there to sail, right! All things considered, an outboard is a cost efficient way to go with a lot of benefits.Rics/v Blue Max#2692www.ric-maxfield.net
Many smaller outboards have no regulation on the charging voltage - something to confirm before you commit. Batteries hate high voltages.
It doesn't have to be high amperage but if the voltage of the battery rises to much over 15 volts the battery will have a short life.Here is a good explanation: Do I Need A Solar Charge Controller ??
I am reasonably sure you are right Brian hi voltage would be a
problem. Still I can't see why a voltage regulator could not be
installed at either the batteries or close to the engine. Right off
the top of my head I wouldn't know how exactly but it shouldn't be
hard to figure out. Probably a little solid state one would do the
Job?? Doug
problem. Still I can't see why a voltage regulator could not be
installed at either the batteries or close to the engine. Right off
the top of my head I wouldn't know how exactly but it shouldn't be
hard to figure out. Probably a little solid state one would do the
Job?? Doug
That was my point. If the outboard is one with unregulated voltage output a regulator should be installed between it and the batteries.
I think we're getting a little mixed up here, and I thimk (sic) I can help. I hope I don't make things worse. I am under the impression that outboard engines don't have regulators.
The alternator on an engine (automotive or marine etc.) can have a built-in regulator or an external one. Marine (expen$ive) external regulators will often have multiple charging protocols for different battery types (e.g. gel, AGM, wet,,,) and built-in regulators won't. The critical factor is that both types provide feedback to the alternator as both electrical load and degree of charge of the battery change. This feedback controls the current in the field coils of the alternator and that manages the battery charging process.
To try to keep the confusion down to a dull roar, there are other things called voltage regulators. The ones I know about are integrated circuits that take some input voltages and provide a fixed output voltage. A common example would be your USB cellphone charger. USB chargers provide a fixed 5 volts.
So,,, why have I gotten on my high horse and made a fuss about this? In the outboard engine world I am not aware of any voltage regulators that integrate with the alternator and control the field current. Actually I hope I'm wrong and there are such animals. Please feel free to comment, criticise etc.
If anyone is interested Alternator - Wikipedia is a good starting point.
Alan
minke,,, #2505
The alternator on an engine (automotive or marine etc.) can have a built-in regulator or an external one. Marine (expen$ive) external regulators will often have multiple charging protocols for different battery types (e.g. gel, AGM, wet,,,) and built-in regulators won't. The critical factor is that both types provide feedback to the alternator as both electrical load and degree of charge of the battery change. This feedback controls the current in the field coils of the alternator and that manages the battery charging process.
To try to keep the confusion down to a dull roar, there are other things called voltage regulators. The ones I know about are integrated circuits that take some input voltages and provide a fixed output voltage. A common example would be your USB cellphone charger. USB chargers provide a fixed 5 volts.
So,,, why have I gotten on my high horse and made a fuss about this? In the outboard engine world I am not aware of any voltage regulators that integrate with the alternator and control the field current. Actually I hope I'm wrong and there are such animals. Please feel free to comment, criticise etc.
If anyone is interested Alternator - Wikipedia is a good starting point.
Alan
minke,,, #2505
In the first example I looked at, a Merc' 9.9 HP, there is a 6 Amp alternator.
Again,,, I'm hoping that I'm wrong.
Again,,, I'm hoping that I'm wrong.
A fixed voltage regulator is ok. No different than the standard alternator on an inboard engine or millions of cars - usually 14.4 volts.
OK, there are two classes of alternators in the context that we are talking about - regulated and unregulated. The unregulated alternators are usual on outboards, wind or towed generators and the like. These normally have a fixed excitation by a permanent magnet system for cheapness, simplicity or no room to fit any more complex system. Generally, on small outboards, the charging circuit is a couple of spare poles on the ignition system.Unregulated alternators and solar cells produce an output related to
engine RPM, windspeed or sunlight and will overcharge the battery. This overcharge is manifest mainly as heat and a higher voltage and results
in a "boiled battery". Solar panels are also unregulated as there is on easy system of controlling the sun.To control such systems you require an external
shunt regulator which absorbs the extra power and disappates it as heat (that is why shunt regulators get hot!).Regulated alternators, as per cars, gensets, and even small marine engines have a controlling regulator which controls the excitation current and thus the output. Therefore this type do not require an external regulator (although the regulator may be mounted externally), The regulator senses the battery voltage and temperature and reduces its charge rate as the battery reaches full charge. This reduction in excitation is done efficiently by a series regulator in the field circuit.
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engine RPM, windspeed or sunlight and will overcharge the battery. This overcharge is manifest mainly as heat and a higher voltage and results
in a "boiled battery". Solar panels are also unregulated as there is on easy system of controlling the sun.To control such systems you require an external
shunt regulator which absorbs the extra power and disappates it as heat (that is why shunt regulators get hot!).Regulated alternators, as per cars, gensets, and even small marine engines have a controlling regulator which controls the excitation current and thus the output. Therefore this type do not require an external regulator (although the regulator may be mounted externally), The regulator senses the battery voltage and temperature and reduces its charge rate as the battery reaches full charge. This reduction in excitation is done efficiently by a series regulator in the field circuit.
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Using Linux: Ubuntu 11.04 on Intel or Debian on UltraSparcand Apple OS X 10.8.2 Mountain Lion on my Macbook Pro. Avoiding Micro$oft like the plague.#################################################