Nonstop Solo Circumnavigation from Long Beach, CA

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Jun 12, 2004
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Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Nauti...

Since we always hear what you WOULD do, it would be nice if you would enlighten us as to what you HAVE DONE and how you have prepared for it. LIke someone said earlier, it would be nice to know the boat, and cruising grounds of the poster.
 
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Chuck

Is it possible that Ken had a hypothesis or a ...

belief that a certain kind of boat will sail right through it all. He seems to have believed that he had found and rigged a vessel (he spent a lot of time, effort and money finding and rigging and outfitting one) that he could punch in the co-ordinates, set the sails, go down below and it would take him there. Clearly there were holes in the theory. But I am surprised that so few people have found anything laudable in the attempt. He had everything to lose and nothing to gain. He had wanted to do it for a long time and he went for it. He didn't do it for the publicity. He is an intensely private man. He did not seek any sponsorships. The web site was put up at the insistence of his friend, by his friend. When this thread started, I had posed the following question: 2. How risky is this attempt? Lets say, for the next ten years, every year an identical attempt is made. Will all 10 Ken Barnes's make it safely across under their own power? Will some have to be rescued? Will some be lost? Not one of you said that ALL or MAJORITY of those attempts will fail. Now, of course, everyone is sure that the effort was doomed from the start and that this man is the village idiot. What gives?
 

Phil Herring

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Most everyone has an opinion; everyone is entitled to their opinion; this is a place to post opinions. While you may disagree with some of the opinions posted, this forum requires that you respond with civility. Thank you for your cooperation.
 

Chetco

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Jan 6, 2007
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Learning Curve

Have any of us given a thought to what lies ahead for Ken Barnes? My heart goes out to him. To have done what he has, to have been rescued, and to be able to return home, to Newport Beach, California. I grew up there, attened Harbor High, worked as a deck hand on charter boats and bait boats, and have sailed my whole life. He has to come home to that. Let me tell you all. Newport Beach has some very knowlegeable and capable sailors in it's community. Believe me, some very capable race sailors, some very knowledgeable solo and cruise sailors. He has that to face. Like I say, my heart goes out to him. He has to face himself for the rest of his life. He has to re-live all of those moments, all of those issues as he awaits falling asleep every night for the rest of his life. One things surely stands out about our Mr. Barnes, his family. They sure rallied to his support when he needed it. How many of us can count on that, when the circumstances are such? What ever he did out there on his boat, right or wrong, he surely did something very wonderful with his family. It would seem that his actions empowered his loved ones to stand up and identify with their love. Everything withstanding, he has that to return to. To their warmth, their love, and their understanding. To that point, I honor you Ken Barnes, and I admire your family's strength. The worst part of this whole adventure is the fact that he couldn't bring his boat into port. Repair it, and continue his dream. And learned from the repairing what all had gone wrong. Believe me, repairing your boat after an experience like that is the most amazing learning curve a person will ever undergo. Like I say, I've sailed my whole life, good or bad, I've sailed solo too, many times. I even gave a solo circumnavigation a try once. In a 44' Tayana. Unlike Ken though I had crewed, and sailed many Pacific and Atlantic crossings. Both as a crew member, and as the Captain/Owner of the boat. When I retired back in 92' I took off and started cruising for real. Then I, like Ken, came to the challenge of SOLO CIRCUMNAV. Off I went one early November day,back in 1999, from Portsmouth, NH. I had no time line just the drive, disire and dream of doing a 360 around the world. I had some very harrowing and frightful experiences. Luckly though, I was able to make all the correct decisions when the times were necessary. But on the north leg, coming up the South Atlantic, off the coast of Brazil, I was hit with 4 bad weather situations. One right after the other. In the end, I was demasted, my fuel was fouled, my batteries were dead. No, I did not "pop" my EPIRB. Never in hell. No way was I going to step down into my life boat either. I had always been trained, "Sailors don't step down into life boats. No one leaves a floating boat." Plus that boat meant a great deal to me. My boat was floating, and I wasn't done trying to jury-rig things. Long story short, after I had floated around for 7 days, a Portugese/Brazilian fishing trawler came across me. Between my poor Spanish, his none existant English, and his wonderful heart we managed to long-line-tow my boat into Racife. There for two and a half months I repaired my boat. It was durning that time that I learned some of the most telling lessons in my life. You'd be surprised at the knowledge and advise repairmen and technicians can see and offer as they work on your boat. Some very wonderful people and sailors looked into my boat and told me what happened and what they saw. Told me where I had made mistakes, made wrong decisions. 2 1/2 months later with my boat ready to sail again, I had my son join me for the last leg of my circumnavigation. Solo sailors are a unique breed. God created them, and until God changes his ways, He will continue his creations. We just have to accept that. Ken wanting to solo the world is not the sin. What is so very wrong though, as I see it, is he has brought all this home to roost to our SAILING COMMUNITY. We really don't need all of this pulling at us. Let us not fall victim to our own SOLO! And when it come time for us to share our sailing stories. Let us share how wonderful it is out there. How fantastic our good days are. How wonderful and embracing it is to find some of the anchorages that we find. How we enjoy the wonderful meals we share with other sailors. Let us not scare the world with all of our "HORROR" stories that seem to get worse everytime they are told. Like I say, Ken is missing out of the greatest learning curve of not being able to repair his boat and 'pick up his sticks and get going again." Fixing what you break, is one hell of a lesson. I know! I don't SOLO anymore. I did do the Atlantic once after that, delivering a boat for a fellow. But other than that, I sail with crew. It's amazing how fantastic it is to have another mind onboard to not only talk to, but to share intelligence with when the "you know what-hits the fan!" Not to mention just to have another person onboard. Unless things have changed, or unless Ken was able to find an insurance carrier that would insure his undertaking he was uninsured. I know when I went, my insurance company stopped my insurance. No way would they under-write a SOLO adventure. No matter how many years experience I had. That might have changed by now. One other thing, why would he buy this boat in GA, bring it all the way back to California and have the retro-fitting done in Long Beach? There are several very capable yards right in Newport for that. What ever happened to buy local? How would he have liked it when he was doing his pool businss, to look up and see a another guy doing a pool next door from Long Beach. Seems odd to me! Like I say, my heart goes out to him. Not because of how it ended, but because of what lies ahead for him. What a way to bring something like that to a close. What a heart ache! Better luck next time, be well Ken. Bruce S/V Aprendizaje
 

abe

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Jan 2, 2007
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Chetco, what lies ahead? Get a job, be a husband.

,a father, call the government of Chile and the US CoastGuard and ask how much he owes....Then I would really admire the guy.
 
Oct 25, 2005
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Catalina 30 Banderas Bay, Mexico
Chuck

You ask "2. How risky is this attempt? Lets say, for the next ten years, every year an identical attempt is made. Will all 10 Ken Barnes's make it safely across under their own power? Will some have to be rescued? Will some be lost? Not one of you said that ALL or MAJORITY of those attempts will fail. Now, of course, everyone is sure that the effort was doomed from the start and that this man is the village idiot. What gives?" Read my first post in the thread. I expressed concern and had misgivings from the start. If you consider choice of boat, and experience at sea in *that* boat as part of the "attempt", then yes, if identical, the majority will fail. If you look only at the voyage, the risks are well known. The quality of preparation will determine the risk. It has been done on smaller boats, with smaller budgets than Ken's. There have been several posts that take what I consider realists to task with comments like "Why don't you do it?" and "Have you ever sailed around the world, if you don't have the guts, then don't criticize someone that does ..." No, I have not made an offshore passage. Not because I lack the "guts", but because my boat and I *as a team* are not prepared. Some very simple math tells it would not be brave to set out to Hawaii in my boat, it would be foolhardy. I can expect a 20+ day passage to Hawaii from Vancouver. 2 gallons a day of water requires larger tanks than my boat has. Making water requires power. If I need to run the engine for only 1 hour a day to keep the electronics alive and make water, I will run out of fuel in 15-17 days. That means I have to design *and test* systems that will reduce the engine run time so I will have at least a 5 day reserve after the passage. So far I have nearly the price of a new 30 foot boat invested in upgrades and repairs just to make it mathematically possible for me to sail to Hawaii. After the boat is ready, I'll make some 200-400 mile trips to test systems and hopefully discover any remaining weaknesses. Only after I have confidence in the boat and my ability to make safe passages, will I be in a position to be "brave" and "follow my dream". It seemed obvious to me that Ken's preparation was incomplete. His choice of boats for a single handed circumnavigation sounds like the people that make posts like "I'm looking for my first boat, something for coastal cruising with blue water ability, between 30 and 42 feet, with a full keel, for $30,000-$100,000." These folk have no experience. With experience, you know within a few feet what size boat you are comfortable with ... not a 30-44 foot range. Full keel? Sounds like something somebody read in a book. When blue water boats like Shannon 43's are going for $750,000 used and they don't have full keels, what does that say about Ken's total investment of $250,000 in boat and equipment? Certainly, good seaman have circumnavigated on smaller budgets, also no amount of money is going to buy a sailboat that can substitute for experience. What does that make our dreamer? Brave or foolish? To climb Mt Everest, you need more than a used parka and a dream.
 
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Chuck

California Radio Amateur Has Role in Rescue at Sea

Some more interesting tidbits -
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
Tony B

You missed my point. You don't have to be a mountaineer to know that the guys who died on My Hood were not prepared. You don't have to be a circum-navigator to know that Barnes was ill prepared. This is a public forum where we get to voice our opinions. If only "experts" could post there would be no content!
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Nauti....

Peace brother, this post will probably die soon anyway. Ita all Chucks fault anyway for starting this thread. LOL Have a good one
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
William.... just curious

I was wondering what size sailboats, number of crew members and type of rigging you were involved in while circumnavigating. Most of us will never sail around the world once, and u did 4 times. I personally dont have the nerve to do it, so i just wont condemn anyone else for trying.
 
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Chuck

DONNA LANGE HAS ROUNDED CAPE HORNE!!!

What a great story! What a great sailor!
 
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James

Did anyone notice ...

I am not going to get into the discussion of whether or not Ken Barnes should or should not have made the voyage, whether or not he was adequately trained or experienced. I want to make a comment or ask a question about one of the pictures ....... Did anyone else notice the green fishing boat in the background of "William -Cape Cod" posting? Did anyone open the picture wonder about the co-incidence or is it just me. The boat shown is the fishing Vessel Andrea Gail - Sound familiar ..... this was the vessel which was lost in the "Perfect Storm" William were you on a long line boat at the time? or is this the "Lady Grace" the boat which was used in the movie? Thanks James
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Its Probably .......

Since William was talking about his 4 circumnavigations on that particular reply, I would guess he is on a sailboat.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Old Salt........

You seem to be knowledgeable about others that circumnavigated, i have a question........Is there any particular direction that most head out? Let me re-ask same question....Dont ask me why, but i would have thought that if he left Ca. he would have headed west. I dont generally follow these folks since i have no inclination to do it myself, but was curious. BTW...are u in Point Cadet?
 
Aug 21, 2006
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Pearson 367 Alexandria, VA
See Sailing Anarchy's Editorial today

Ed Word's editorial "Big Deal?", is an interesting addition to this thread. http://www.sailinganarchy.com This thread has been one of the liveliest and most interesting I have read in sometime. Thanks Sea Dragon
 
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Chuck

East about or west about?

Joshua Slocum, who started this solo circumnavigation madness, tells in his book how he started off going east about. From the east coast, he crossed over the Atlantic to Europe. In Europe, he changed his mind about being east bound. Turned around and completed a west about circumnavigation. From the west coast, I have mostly read about people going west along the 'milk run'. I wonder if many people from the east coast do it east bound.
 
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Capt Ron;-)

"Experts"

Tony, How's your ketch woking for you, sure glad you didn't need to 'butch' the other boat you had, and went with the Allied. Sounds like you had a good pass cross the Gulf too, I will not do that one again. There are many old "salts" around and many liveaboards and 'super-sailors' who have never been out of a bay but freely give advice. 1) I have done some mountaineering on some different peaks in the world and there are many, read Jon Krakauers "Into Thin Air" that have zero business up high and pay for bragging 'rights'. 2) These fellows on Mt. Hood were highly experienced mountaineers and an unpredictable 'bomb' came in at them, they were indeed well prepared for the usual and the not so usual but anyone can (they did too) have an accident, get caught in a severe storm and die of hypothermia. John Rossamieres book "Fastnet 79" whence over 300 race boats were sending out May Days and were "WELL PERPARED" too, would show that the best can be overcome by adverse conditions 3) Armchair adventurers without the guts to do, should not try to 'teach' as they don not have the wherewithall nor courage to tie these folks cramp-ons let alone criticize an espedition like that. Sometimes you are the very best, with the best, and very well preared and are overwhelemed. Folks in armchairs cannot appreciate this, but why it is indeed called an ADVENTURE! 4) A recent storm in my country, off the northern California coast, a multi flipped and crew was lost. Was it they're fault for being "unprepared" it was a huge storm, some six weeks ago, the USCG could not even get cross the bars. This crew had brought this multi all the way from South Africa and were professional delivery crew. Keep learning and be careful out there...;-)
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Capt Ron !!!!!!!!

Where have u been hiding? YOu seem full of your old spunk, so i assume all is well. And yes, as you remember, i was determined to get a ketch or yawl, even if i had to get "ceative" with a sloop. I think i was really lucky finding this Allied. It really sails in the rough stuff like a dream. Even an old fart like me can drop a main sail in a blow. Sailing jib and jigger cannot be easier. Anyway, what u been up to lately? Tony B
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
Tony

Peace and fair winds to you too. I think we have all beaten this one to death. I now believe that the most dangerous thing about a circumnavigation is that you will get discussed in this forum. :) Ron, not to belabor the point but that storm on Mt Hood was not unexpected and they did not carry EPIRBs. I have climbed Mt Hood and the time to do it is in the spring, not December. IMHO.
 

Chetco

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Jan 6, 2007
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East & West

I've done 2 circumnavigation with crew and one incomplete solo attempt. All out of the east coast. One, south to Africa and then a left turn south of Australia and NZ across the Pacific and thru the Panama Canal. One, south thru the the Panama Canal across the Pacific south of NZ and Australia past Cape Good Hope and then north bound. My solo attemp was the same course and route as the guy that just got rescued. On my last leg north in the South Atlantic I came to a stop off Brazil. From Brazil back to the East coast of the US was with crew. My solo attempt stopped in Brazil, little short of my originally planned finish point. Like someone said, problems can happen to anyone.... even professionals with lots of support and all the right equipment. I think, it a case of two things. One is probably the greatest force on the face of this earth, the ocean. Second, making all the right decisions when it's necessary. There is no instant rerun out there. Once, you've committed your decision, you can't just go and change it. You've got to ride it out. Every time you make a decision out there sailing off shore - blue water, you have a 50/50 chance of being right or wrong. And that's a fact. Through out all of these writings and exchanges, I have continually wondered why didn't he, Ken, run for it? Run his engine and try to dodge some or all of the weather that hit him. Change course, change where he was at. What kind of weather reports was he getting? Like I say, he will always have hisself to face for the rest of his life. And living in Newport Beach, he's going to get a lot of chances to explain his actions. Believe me! Bruce
 
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