- May 25, 2012
so what is the "fashionable 'next gen' anchor" ? are we back to a 'fisherman' ?
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I think Rocna is the big one. And Mantus. I believe they're better than older designs, from what I read. But some advocates would have you believe, that when they bought their Rocna's et. al, the old anchors stopped working.so what is the "fashionable 'next gen' anchor" ? are we back to a 'fisherman' ?
Lol!!!!Keep in mind that the loss you speak of only effects the electronic chart itself - the loss of GPS, radar, etc is the same regardless of chart. If one decides to be so rash as to only have a single source of charts onboard, and tied to a single power system, then I agree that one should also have paper charts.
But that isn't the argument - it only represents your personal choice to have an incomplete or poorly designed electronic navigation system. I don't mean that as a knock, only as a description of your nav system - a single point of electronic failure backed up by paper charts (and presumably some non-electronic means of determining position).
However, it is in no way a valid argument for paper charts.
Our boat has 10 independent devices with electronic charts, using a wide variety of different charting data (think about that), all using independent power sources. We have 14 independent GPS on board, and 11 of them have independent power sources. The ones sharing a power source are on different circuits.
This sounds like we are bristling with antennas and glowing in the dark, but the reality is that every phone, tablet, handheld vhf, and camera we have has a GPS in it. In addition to our chart plotter, every computer, phone, and tablet has electronic charts on them, and there are a couple of handheld devices with such also.
We sail in a lot of places that are poorly charted. A single source of chart data is a recipe for disaster. With electronics charts, we always have multiple sources of data available. Very few people have multiple paper chart data sources (and fewer data sources are being offered in paper format).
To be honest, I find it difficult to believe anyone today is out on the water with only a single GPS or source of electronic charts completely dependent on the main battery. Almost everyone today has at least a phone, and charts for mobile devices range from free to almost free - certainly, detailed electronic charts for entire regions of the world can be bought for the price of a single paper chart.
Did I ever tell you the story about one time this guy on a power boat lost his paper chart overboard and had to call the coast guard because he didn't know where he was? Good argument against paper charts there...
Cruising has changed a lot, and so has sailing, due to navigation advancements. It wasn't many years ago (less than 10 or so), paper charts as back up were the rule. That topic would assure a lengthy thread of heated debate.I didn't mean to make an anchor thread. My original comment was only to point out an observation of how cruising is changing over time. Different charting and navigation choices and different anchoring choices. Hard rowing dinghies are also almost extinct.
Sure, cqr's can still be made to grab once in a while by you old artisans , but those cruising more far and wide simply do not carry them anymore. Maybe cost is the reason, but most have abandoned the ones they already had for a different choice.
Don't kill the messenger...
Rowing tenders are still popular here, Jon. If anything, rowing is on the rise on our coast(a nice trend to see). In my local harbors, the ratio is about 1 to 1, hard dinghy's vs inflatables(in fact it's closer to 2 - hard- to 1 in my harbor).i have a 1948, cedar strip on bent frames, varnished inside and out, 14', shell lake row boat. in pristine condition.
it tows beautify. rows beautify. now it's out of style? oh well.
I get that! The only thing that will keep paper charts flowing is keeping the demand up. Today, when there are a half a dozen electronic chart options in the average house kitchen(phones, tablets, computers, etc with a $15 app), that might be tough. E-charts and getting better and cheaper by leaps and bounds.Tom you are correct in your observation, but doesn't mean us paper chart folk won't go kicking and screaming.
I grew up using paper charts for navigation and feel naked if I'm not making notations along the route one paper chart. Not that I don't plan and layout my route inspecting the tides and currents using an electronic tool. There is just a sense of confirmation when I plot my position and progress.
Having a printed plot of the route is a good back up when your venturing beyond the immediate waters of your marina and bay.
Last trip 175 mm a lot of fun.
Bingo.Chartplotters, like GPS in the car, does not give you the "big picture".
Yes, just like abandoning lead lines for electronic depth removes the situational awareness of the bottom type and water temp, as well as removes a set of eyes from the bow of the boat. Depth sounders make boating more dangerous.People, this is NOT a redundancy issue, as if having 10 devices with GPS chips inside them makes this OK.
The simple fact is that maintaining, scanning, reading, and occasionally using paper charts creates a high level of Situational Awareness (SA) that you simply don't get by pressing your face into a LCD screen and trusting that fix and that e-map. Using a chart MAKES you actually look the the water, the marks, and the land features to understand where you are. In the business we called it 'ground truth', and we call it that for a reason.
I use GPS devices all the time. Hell, I DESIGNED a lot of them. But make no mistake, they are no replacement for charts.
And you shouldn't - that is where your eyes and brain kick in. You shouldn't even rely on a paper chart - Nairn cay is visually obvious from Johnson. They are a mile apart with deep water between them and one is 5x larger than the other.I have a new Raymarine chart plotter with a CMap Essentials chip. Near Johnson Cay in the Bahamas, when I zoomed in, Nairn Cay which was abeam to port in reality and on the chart, jumped over to my starboard side on the plotter. I don't know if the error is the fault of Raymarine or CMap but I will not rely solely on electronic navigation systems.
You're taking this personally and I don't know why.Looking at a raster chart on a 15" screen is very different situationally than looking at a paper chart folded to 15" on your lap and flapping in the wind.