newbie needs advice...

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Ahoy there! I'd love some feedback from any sailors who might be willing to address a couple of questions...
I'm interested in purchasing a small sailboat so that my 20 year old son and I might learn to sail together (I do realize we will need to take some lessons before attempting anything on our own). Do you have any suggestions on a size/style/make of sailboat to start with? We live in southeast Florida. Also, I'd need to be able to trailer this boat and (hopefully) try to fit it into my 2-car garage. So, nothing bigger than an 18 footer, I imagine. Many thanks in advance. Feel free to email me directly at savapet@aol.com.
 
May 25, 2004
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Catalina Capri 14.2 1670 Rochester, MN
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Savapet,

Take a look at this thread in the Trailer Sailor's section. There is a wealth of information buried in it.
 

CalebD

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I'll bite.
You will save yourself a bundle of money having a trailer-able sailboat.
Before you buy a boat I would suggest some basic lessons and even renting some different types of sail boats. The more boats you try the better you will know what boat it is that you really want.
Dinghy sized sailboats I have sailed on:
- Lightning 19' - can be a pretty technical racer so perhaps not the ideal boat for someone starting out, planing hull, may or may not fit in your garage on a trailer, fairly dry boat unless you tip it over, raising and lowering the mast is not so easy
- beach cats - Hobie 14', 16' Prindle 16' fast, furious, wet fun on these boats, beach-able, mast should be pretty easy to put up and take down
- Snipe - an old day sailor that would make a good learning platform as would ...
- O'Day daysailor I or II - easy to set up, a perfect dinghy to learn to sail on in my opinion
- Sunfish - also great for easy set up and basic learning platform
- Laser - faster and wetter then a Sunfish
Other boats that fall into the 'trailer-able' category
- Flying Scot - similar to a Lightning as they both can fly spinnakers which is not usually a requirement for a learning platform
- 420, 405 planing hull racing dinghies
- Compac 16 -
There are a slew of small sail boats.
 

OldCat

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Laser, Sunfish? IMHO, too small for two adults to really enjoy. Harder for two to learn on - just too small. I'd stay away from complex racing boats such as the 420 as well, sorry Caleb, but that is my view. I do agree with the beach cats as fun, fast boats, and can be sailed by a newbie.

Precision and Catalina have 14-16 foot boats that are simple and good learning platforms. Both are probably available used in Florida, and easy to resell when it is time to move up.

Without a keel, you will need to be OK with a swim now and then. Your classes should teach you how to right the boat. If you are going small, get instruction in small boats, 13-18 ft. Some skills from larger boats don't matter on a smaller one (like using winches) and some are small boat specific, such as righting the boat after a capsize. These comments apply to beach cats, and dinghys; 16-18 foot keel boats are also popular, but I have not sailed a keel boat that small.

OC
 
Apr 4, 2010
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I have a Catalina Capri 16 with wing keel. It is a great boat for starting off. Just need a little outboard, has it's own trailers and does really well with only the 2 standard sails. A few months of good sailing with that you would be looking into 150% genoa and furling for the jib, then move up to the spinnaker once you get all of that down pat. Mine only has the 2 standard sails and I am moving up to a Ranger 28 that not only has a furling genoa, but also spinnakers and screechers. I really am excited about it. Maybe I should consider selling the Catalina. LOL
 
Nov 12, 2009
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Catalina 22, El Toro Folsom
Savapet
You need to do a little self evaluation. If you want to run around a trampoline like a couple of monkeys and go for an occasional swim , then a bleachable cat is a good choice. Small center boarders would also meet your needs. If you would rather kick back on a sedate cruse, then a small keel boat would be more appropriate. Since boats in general have a substantial depletion rate, I'll assume you will be looking at a used boat.

General:
Condition, condition, condition. For a small, boat the cost of repairs can easily exceed the value of the boat. Used boats may be cheap, but replacement parts aren't. Be especially careful to check the sails. Have the seller hoist them for you. Since you will be looking at salt water boats. Be mindful of metal fittings.

Being popular is a good thing. Popular boats are numerous for a reason. Builders like Hobie and Catalina are popular because they make good boats. Not that others don't, but novices will have a hard time deterring build quality. Also, popular (especially locally popular) boats will give you a better population to choose from. In addition, there will be tons of information on the internet for popular boats.

One stop shop. Do your best, to get everything you need when purchasing the boat. Don't buy a nice boat and then start looking for a trailer. Since all the equipment depreciates, try and get the boat, trailer, PFDs, horn ... from the seller. It will be much cheaper than buying that stuff new.

KISS. Keep the first boat simple. Boats with just a main and jib will give you plenty of experience. Focus on getting those trimmed right and you will be doing fine.


Catamarans:
Fast, fun, easy to beach, rugged, high initial stability (stays flat), very responsive, easy to tell when it's trimmed good, most unsinkable, very popular.

Relatively hard to tack because of it's low inertia. Most stable position is upside down. Your time on the water will be determined by how much exposure your body can take. Not all of the experience translates to monohulls. Will take up lots of garage space.

Dagger board monohulls:
Fast, fun, easy to beach, low initial stability, very responsive, easy to tell when it's trimmed well, some unsinkable, popular. Least garage space.

Relatively easy to tack. Almost no stable position. You will be constantly moving. Your time on the water will be determined by how much exposure you body can take and your endurance moving from side to side.

Keel boats:
Slow, sedate, stable, easy to tack because of high inertia. Not as responsive as lighter boats and a little harder to tell when trim is good, because the response to trim change slower. Generally not as popular as small daggers or cats. Some have a cubby cabin for protection from the elements.
 
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