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Oct 7, 2008
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Columbia 24 Lakebay, WA
So this weekend my husband and I will be picking up our first sailboat, she is a project, a sadly neglected Columbia 24. She just needs a lil' help to get going. We have figured out all the logistics to get her home so far, except one thing, how on earth do we unstep the mast on this thing? Any suggestions?
 
Oct 7, 2008
14
Columbia 24 Lakebay, WA
Indeed, husband is pretty mechanically skilled, he custom welded some supports together , she really is a beaut, just needs some tlc, gonna " bring her home and dry her out" , and free to boot, the current owner was goin to basically sink her, he has lost moorage, and said if you can get her out of port she is yours. I just am not sure how to unstep, I have done some research, stupid question alert, do all masts pivot down?
 
Aug 2, 2005
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pearson ariel grand rapids
By far the easiest is to have a yard do it.

Many ways are documented on the internet for stepping the mast, one is here:
http://c22fleet77.tripod.com/id81.htm Most others are pretty similar.

If you don't have a hinge or tabernacle, you'd want to build a bipod arrangement that will support the mast and allow you to lift it up then lower it to the deck safely.
Can't seem to find any links, but basically it's an A-frame that is approximately 2/3rds the mast height with a block at the apex, it is secured to the deck at the wide end and stayed in place with lines. tie a line above the center of gravity on the mast loosen the shrouds and rear stay, remove the lower shrouds and forward stay (or rear depending on the way you plan to tip it) lift the mast enough to clear the step, then slowly let the mast down as you guide the foot towards the direction you need it. (dictated by boat layout) Needs at least two people, three is good. leaving the shrouds attached but loose helps keep the mast in line, not always needed, and on some boats is more hassle than help.

Not realy hard, but a hinge makes it easy, so if you plan to step the mast yourself it would be nice to install one.

Ken.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Macgregor 21 Clinton, NJ
usually

Though it's likely your new/old boat has either a pivoting mast step or a tabernacle(I think I got the term right), it's not a given. My first daysailor had it's mast originally stepped through the cabintop but had been changed to a galvanized pipe bolted to the deck that the mast slipped onto. In any event, he'll want help as a mast will be suprisingly heavier than one would think. A second(or third) person using the main or jib halyard to help slow the mast on the way down is likely going to be necessary. If the boat can be recovered before unstepping the mast, it willl likely be easier on the trailer than floating on the water. Some marinas may have a crane for this job as well.
 
Oct 7, 2008
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Columbia 24 Lakebay, WA
Thank you guys, I have been lurking for awhile as we have taken that leap from boaters to sailors, appreciate all the info, added her pic as my avatar, aye, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I see MUCH potential, and am so excited, we are officially picking her up and receiving the title Sat. a.m., She has been in port for 7 years, we did zoom in on some of our pics, seems she has a pin, which, cross my fingers, she will pivot down, do ya'll think there is a possibility of it being "stuck" (the mast) as in rusted ? If so any recommendations, products? Thank you all again so much, I am bursting with excitement, and I am sure you will all see me around as we restore her. Also, another stupid question alert , we know HOW to remove the 7 years worth of marine growth (so long as we dont get nabbed for removing a artificial reef;) ) my question, what in the world do we do with it all???
 

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Be careful

I think you need to grab a couple of sailors off the dock and ask them to look at your mast to see if it is designed to be taken down w/o a crane. As mentioned, a mast can be surprisingly heavy and dangerous if one loses control of it.

I had a 24 footer of a different make from that era and there was no way my mast was coming down without a crane.

Until you do it a few times, it is best to have a couple experienced people helping you out.

Talk to the PO and ask him how he did it.
 
Oct 7, 2008
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Columbia 24 Lakebay, WA
Great ideas Higgs, ty, the PO has never taken the mast down, so he is of no help on this issue, :confused:, but I will ask those around, of course we want to avoid the cost of a crane, but if necessary we will go there.
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
4,004
Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Can you post some close up pictures of the base?
Frank
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
Mast stepping

Hi Stormer;

Congrats on the boat! The best advice I can give you is to talk to some other sailboat owners in the area and ask who/how they take their masts down. As a first timer, I would recommend you bite the bullet and have it down while you watch. In my area, the charge would be about $100 do have it done by professionals, and it will be the best money you will ever spend on the boat. After you have it for a while and are used to it you may be able to do it yourself, but for starters, avoid possible damage and INJURY to yourself and others and have it done.

Fair winds
Dave
 
Jan 22, 2008
519
Sundance Sundance 20 Weekender Ninette, Manitoba, Canada
assuming the mast hinges near the cabin top...

We do this all the time at our marina, although we do it after the boat is on the trailer on the tarmac. From the jib halyard where you would attach the top of the sail, attach a long line perhaps 100 feet long. Secure the other end of the halyard on the mast near the base. Have a couple of people walk the long line out in front of the boat a hundred feet or so... to the end of the line. You now have a line holding the top of the mast well forward. Have the people at the end of the line pull on the line until the forestay can be removed at the stemhead. With two or three people on top of the cabin to steady the mast, have the people at the end of the line start slowly walking back towards the boat to allow the mast to start to hinge back towards the back of the boat. People on top guide it left or right to keep in dropping on the centerline, and at a certain point are carrying most of the weight of the mast as it gets lower. You will already have made a stirrup to hold the back of the mast that attaches to either the stern pulpit or rudder gudgeons to act as a crutch for the mast when it comes down. You want to make sure it is tall enough to clear the cabin top. The people on top of the cabin, guide the mast into this mast crutch. You want this to be a slow methodical process, with the boom and sails off. Most often the shrouds can stay on. Once the mast is down, you can remove the pin at the base and slide it forward and reattach it to the bow pulpit. Secure it to the crutch as well. Collect and wrap up the stays with bungees close to the mast. Place a support for the mast between the cabin and mid mast... a old lifejacket works, and tape them together so that you don't loose the life jacket going down the highway.

This is much more difficult to do on the water as the boat must remain stationary. Theoretically you can attach a line and have a person walk forward on a dock or shoreline, but we have always opted to do it with the boat on the trailer or cradle. Once you have done it once, you can likely get away with about 4 people for the task, but the first time, you want a few more than minimum. The shrouds always seem to tangle on something when you only have the minimum number of people and there is no extra person to remove the line or shroud that is hung up.

There are a number of sites on the web that show how to rig a 'gin pole' and temporary side stays, a long line running through a block at the stemhead and back to the cockpit winches that allows the whole process to be done single handedly, but the first time, you want lots of help... and no side wind!

Good luck with your mast lowering.
 
Mar 28, 2007
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Hunter 33' Cherubini Biloxi Back Bay,MS
Keep us posted

:clap:Congrats on your new baby...keep us posted..you sound so excited!
Nice to see another lady on the board.
The guys here are very helpful.
 
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Alexo

Unstepping Mast

I had a Columbia 24 many years ago and while I don't remember it having a hinged step However, I do recall walking the mast down with only one or two other people helping me. It wasn't that heavy.
It was a very good sailing boat with a lot of room for a 24 footer. I hope you enjoy her as much as I did mine.
 
Oct 7, 2008
14
Columbia 24 Lakebay, WA
Success

Thanks all for all the great tips, she is home , officially, it was quite the day, having not been out of the water in 8 years and fighting a steadily decreasing tide. We had a few mishaps, but no serious injuries, lol , luckily the marina had a double ramp so we weren't hogging the entire thing the 5 hours it took just to pull her out. Definitely some funniest video moments, but she is home! Time to get to work, I will post pics as progress goes, after scraping the "reef" that had formed on the keel, we filled 2 55gallon drums with marine life. Thanks again all. :dance:
 
Apr 22, 2009
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Oday 30 CB Bass River
safest and easy is get a craine to do it for you, most boat hauler have or have access to one. If you know where there is a jin pole (at boat yard of town landing) you might try to find someone to help taking mast down. ask locals for there advice.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Congratulations

You have taken the first and the second step. Acquiring the boat, and getting her home. Now the fun begins in earnest. Welcome to the board, and keep us informed of your progress. Lots of knowledge on this board, and all freely given.
 
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