New Rudder replacement cost big time

[Rick Webb]

He May not be GOD

He is certainly an icon or an idol around here.I know the post we are refering to has been removed by the almighty moderator. So the last couple postings make no sense. I just did not want a chance to go by not expressing my support and gratitude for this site and for those who keep it going. Also for those who post even those whackos who should not be allowed to be even near a computer. Makes for some fun days. Thank You all

 

[Donald6441]

What i would like to know,

If this rudder wasn’t made for open water, did it come with any documentation recommending what type of waters it is appropriate for?

 

[Larry Long]

answer to don954

Yes, it came with documentation that said it was made for a Hunter 260. A hunter 260 is a great boat, but it is NOT made for open water.

 

[Karl]

You Another Authority? Huh

Bob, If you going to write something at least write something that is an old rehash of past news. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.Karl

 

[Fred Ficarra]

Phil, I know you blew away my post for agreeing

with Karl, but,,,I haven't read anything to change my mind.

 

[Phil Herring]

Agreement is fine, as is disagreement

Opinions are good, it's flaming that knocks posts off the board. Yours was removed for the very mundane reason that with Karl's gone it had no context anymore.Here's the deal: our forums attract a lot of novice sailors. It's important to me that the knowledgable folks here be at least welcoming... and maybe even gentle.Learning that more experienced sailors disagree can be a very educational experience. Getting your head smacked with a brick usually makes one too angry to listen.Please know I'm not implying you did anything of the kind, Fred. Your post was perfectly acceptable, it just didn't make sense with Karl's gone. Anyway, please know that almost _never_ remove a post due to content. It's usually because of tone. In my opinon, when the board gets mean it loses alot of its value.

 

[BobW]

Authority? Not on sailboats, for sure!

Karl, I read and re-read your latest post and can't make any sense out of it. Perhaps you were aiming it at the other Bob who posted on this thread. (BTW, I concur with the post of Bob from Virginia)And I surely can't understand you wanting me to "...at least write something that is an old rehash of past news."Perhaps the word 'not' is missing from that sentence?Re-reading this entire thread, I discovered that I was merely responding to the initial poster, who asked for opinions. I gave mine. You gave yours. So did lots of other people. Seems like that's the whole purpose of a forum.As for"If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen"I just can't stop chuckling.... I cannot make any sense of that remark, in any context, either in or out of this thread. Trust me, I can handle heat, in or out of the kitchen.Phil, as a novice sailor, I appreciate all of your efforts, and concur with your philosophy regarding the forums. Keep up the good (and often thankless) work!!!Cheers,Bobs/v X SAIL R 8

 

[Kevin B]

Hunter 260 specs?

The specs I found on this site for a Hunter 260 show a 3,000 lbs. boat with a center board and 2,000 lbs. water ballast. Is this the same model we are talking about in this thread, or did Hunter make other, more substantial versions?Kevin

 

[Karl]

I'm back!

Let me try and understand this...Some hotshot does an irresponsible act of sailing an unsuitable sailboat across the gulf stream. Experiencing a not unsurprising equipment failure of snapping off his rudder. Reacts poorly and improperly to the situation, resulting in high expense to himself.Then he tells his tale of woe to this forum, looking for sympathy and has the gall to blame the manufacturer for the mess he's created and then goes on to reek other havoc taking on a bridge tender. Yet, I seem to be the only person who can see that this guy needs to perhaps, find another sport and point that out..I'm now the bad guy who ought to be censured? What a laugh! Boating is not a genteel sport of little old ladies sitting in their electric launch sipping Earl Grey tea...it's hard, it's corrosive, and it's colorful and that's what makes it most enjoyable for all of us and I believe this forum ought to represent this aspect of the boating experience. If the kettle is black it ought to be called BLACK! Period.

 

[Fred Ficarra]

Phil,

See what I mean? That's realllllly hard to disagree with.

 

[NautiDuck]

Karl, chill

Karl, don't have a heart attack over this thing. Geesh. There is a much more kind way to say that the boat was unsuitable for the conditions and therefor the damage was not the fault of the manufacturer. A lot of us agree with that. Your hyperventilating over it is uncalled for. Relax.

 

[Don s/v Tellico]

Come on guys......

I've held it as long as I can. I don't mean this as a flame (forgive me Phil...you are VERY good at manging these sites), but the stuff you guys are posting doesn't add anything meaningful to the discussion. He didn't ask for your opinion of the H26 as a bluewater boat - before or after his trip. Why don't you save it for the locos who ask the recurring "bluewater" question - "what boat do I want to buy to sail around the world"?Whether you agree with the points in his intial post or not (I didn't particularly), I'm willing to bet that this "guy" has traveled farther and experienced more in his H26 than most of you have. (Fred, I know you've sailed the world over, but that was in a Hunter 34 right....do we really want to start that discussion?!?) He's done it...he's been out there and done this trip and others more than once. He's not a "hotshot", he prepared and did his homework. Sounds like he had a bad trip this time - real bad. We've all been there or very lucky if we haven't to some degree. But I know for a fact that he's had others that were terrific. Maybe he was just venting here at HOW ... I've sure done that before. Most serious sailors, particularly here at HOW, are gracious with their criticism. You guys are just being ridiculous.Get a boat, go sailing....and stop clogging up my puter screen.

 

[Rick Webb]

See What I Mean, As Fun as a Barrell of Monkeys

A 260 is perfectly adequate for this trip. I have sailed between the islands in Hawaii in Catalina and Columbia 22's the boats do fine the problem is having the room to bring enough beer to make it worth while. Four adults on a 260 would have to enjoy each others company real well or one couple gets a hotel room when they get there to make the trip any fun at all.

 

[Seattle Scott]

What does the boat's location

have to do with the rudder failure, putting aside the tow bill? The new rudder was used for a few days in "mild" conditions and it broke.Is there any difference in mild ocean conditions and your typical bashing about in big lake or bay chop?

 

[John Dawson]

Unanswered questions

Haven't been in the Gulfstream off Florida but if the wind was 5-10 SSE with low swells, it would be fairly tame. Making headway in a 4.3kt current does put pressure on things, but it sounds suspicious that the rudder just suddenly goes CRACK and floats up after ten days. A brutish helmsman, a sideways push from a roller, a submerged obstacle? We probably won't find out.It remains unclear why he can't steer under power, unless he is wedded to the notion that steering is done with the wheel, the motor is just for propulsion.If he were alone, it might have been prudent to abandon his course against the current and make for land (or at least the edge of the Stream) such that the current was more on his beam, making progress to the west easier. (This is called seeking a 'port of refuge' and can be invoked in landing where there is no customs office nearby.) The trip would be much longer, but preferrable to spending several nights at sea.Being in a flotilla, I'm guessing he felt reluctant to leave all company with rudder problems. Perhaps that was why he tried taking a tow toward the destination of choice, and resorted to professional help. Would be curious to hear what discussions took place at this point.He also didn't seem to consider approaching the closed bridge more cautiously in 4+kts of current, and probably jambed that rudder against its stops pretty hard trying to turn. Hope its covered, but it couldn't be good for his insurance rates.

 

[Karl]

Not you too.

Hey Randy, I'm cool, I only get perturbed when people like you tell me what to think, do and censure my opinion.