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[gnusailor]

I am looking at an old Oday22 to purchase. It has been dry-docked on it's trailer for over 10 year, and is not in the best of conditions. The part that has me worried the most is that the hull shows some distortion at the front of the bunk. It appears that this was not the original trailer and the bunks did not conform to the shape of the hull. I have two questions:
1. Is this a deal-breaker? The boat itself is not expensive ($1500) but I am concerned that repairs, if necessary will be higher than a new boat... somewhat.

2. What is the hull construction of a late 70s oday 22... Is it a solid hull below the water line or is it a cored hull below the water line?

Oops, I also have other questions:
How is the shoal keel attached to the hull? was it a mold and fill one piece assembly, or was it a bolt-on like standard keel? When I did my first look, I didn't find a sole plate that opened to the bilge. Was this the way she was built?

I am going to make an appointment to spend several hours with the boat and would love to hear from oday owners as to what else I should look for. I plan to check the stays and shrouds for rust, deck hardware (penetrations) for leaks. The bottom of the boat will need to be sanded and painted and a lot of gelcoat work. Thanks in advance.

 

[Sunbird22358]

All O'DAYs except maybe the 39/40 had solid hulls, no core. The Decks did have balsa cores on most models and they were prone to some core rot and delamination if fittings were not well-bedded. A "bed" deck will sound "dull" if knocked on, may make "crackle and crunch" sound when walked on. The keel on all of the 22s was molded as part of the hull, the 1972-78 models had a 1'11" draft and 600# of lead ballast inside the keel. 1979 models had a keel/CB that draws 1'3" bd up and 4'3" bd dn, ballast was 700# of lead inside keel with only enough ballast in the Cb make it sink (about 15#). 1980-83 models had the K/CB but due to the taller rig, the ballast was increased to 800# of lead inside the keel, again only about 15" inside CB.

Those dents in the hull from the trailer should "pop" back out after the boat is launched, as long as there are no cracks... they should be OK, but worth checking on. The bunks may be able to be adjusted to better support the hull (also the keel should be sitting on a support on the trailer with weight distributed between hull supports and under keel). The O'DAYs were wel lbuilt, but I would not be overly surprised to find the hull had "settled" over the 10 years of sitting on that trailer (My DS II will settle slightly over each Winter).

When in doubt, have a Marine Surveyor check the boat, he/she might be able to offer better advice on-site than I can without seeing the boat. Otherwise, if you are not real sure of condition of boat, keep looking..... $1500.00 might buy another boat that might be in better condition. Still, if $1500 includes a trailer (in good shape??) and such, it isn't a bad price! (I paid $1400 in 1996 for my DS II and trailer!) You could always sell the included trailer and buy a different one (but "new" will be close to that $1500.00 figure just for the trailer, probably more! Stuart Marine gets over $2,500 for the optional trailer for a new MARINER!)

 

[Joe11688]

If it was a later model O'Day 22 with a keel/centerboard, it may be worth fixing up. I would pass it up and keep looking.

 

[kpgraci]

I paid 1200 for mine with trailer. The hull on an early model 22 should not distort, in my view, its pretty solid. My vote is to pass, there are too many good boats out there waiting to be found.

 

[gnusailor]

Hmmm... decisions, decisions, decions... Think I am going to offer her $500 and try to settle around $750. If it turns out to be a bad boat , I can sell the trailer, deck hardware, mast and lead, and might make a profit :naughty:... ok, maybe break even . Since it will be an inland boat on local lakes, I think it might be worth the risk.

 

[gnusailor]

She lists it as a '77... here is a pic.

 

[Indysailor]

Looks like there is no keel support. My boat sat that way every year in the off season until I bought it and remedied the problem. Had similar indentations where the bunks flexed the hull and it bounced right back when I put the boat in the water or raised it off the bunks, so I think it is probably fine. But it's not a good idea to leave the boat hanging on the bunks.

For $750, you'd be getting what looks to be a decent trailer (minus the lack of keel support). Provided it's not rotten on the inside - check those bulk heads- it may not be a bad deal. And for a thousand dollars you are not likely to find a pocket cruiser that doesn't require a bunch of work.

 

[Sunbird22358]

Not a 1977!
The 1977 was the first year that the forward hatch was flush with the cabin top (see pic below), this one has the earlier hatch that fit over a raised coaming. The hull color scheme does not match the distinctive 1977 wide stripe located about 6" below gunwale, so unless repainted, not a 1977.
1977 was first year that a molded-in gas tank locker was featured in the cockpit. located near the aft end of the port-side cockpit seat.

I'd guess that this is a 1975 or 76, but since this boat appears newer than 1972, check for a 12-digit Hull ID Number molded into the outside of the transom, it will start with "XDY" and the last 2 numerical digits will be the last 2 digits of the model year.

If you want a project, this might be a good boat, especially if you can get her for the lower offer...... but as I alluded to earlier (and others have also said) there are other boats out there "Ready to Sail" or at least "ALMOST Ready to Sail" for the same or less $$.

Joe, this is the shoal keel version, K/CB was 1979-83.

 

[Joe11688]

That's the boat that I would shell out $ 1500 for depending on the condition of the hull and deck of course.

 

[kpgraci]

I like the boat buying experience, especially when it's happening to other people.

If the hull deformation is not that serious of a problem like others have suggested, then you need to look closely at all the other areas...even a free boat with major softspots, bad rigging, or bad sails is no bargain. A running outboard is a nice insurance policy for your investment, it does run, right?

As far as the model I have to take exception with the later model and 222 crowd , my '73 is one of the first Oday 22's manufactured and it is a fine sailing boat. It will not outpoint or outrun most things on the water, but for simple pleasure of sailing its perfect, and it can hold it's own in poor conditions.

That raised forward hatch is a problem (mine does not have forward hatch, hence no problem) as it can interfere with tacking the jib.

 

[Joe11688]

I didn't think of it before, but you're right about that raised foward hatch. I think the sheets can get caught on it when you tack and that can be a real pain.

 

[gnusailor]

Ventilation.... I dont need no stinkin ventilation! :2cool: !!
Wish I could go look at it right now, but alas... it is 140 miles from me. I think I have a case of lust!!! (for a boat???... hmmm). I have somewhat fallen in love with the O'Day. From what I have read on various sites, I like what I have read... Not a racer, but a steady cruiser that is for me... and stable, too what a package for a novice. Now if i can remeber all that I need to check, and not get overly attached.... big IF. If i don't buy that one, I have found others... a bit more expensive but under 5K but i'll have to travel to check out the boat(s), which I have been trying to avoid. anywhose.... thanks for all the assistance and I will write more about my adventures ( and ask more questions

 

[Joe11688]

Ventilation.... I dont need no stinkin ventilation! :2cool: !!
Wish I could go look at it right now, but alas... it is 140 miles from me. I think I have a case of lust!!! (for a boat???... hmmm). I have somewhat fallen in love with the O'Day. From what I have read on various sites, I like what I have read... Not a racer, but a steady cruiser that is for me... and stable, too what a package for a novice. Now if i can remeber all that I need to check, and not get overly attached.... big IF. If i don't buy that one, I have found others... a bit more expensive but under 5K but i'll have to travel to check out the boat(s), which I have been trying to avoid. anywhose.... thanks for all the assistance and I will write more about my adventures ( and ask more questions

Don't get me wrong. I love a forward hatch. You have to be kidding me about ventilation. I live in MA and sail the bays in the summer and it gets boiling hot up here even out on the water. I use tarps over my boom and over my forward hatch to cool my cabin down when I'm on the hook.

Hey if you're looking for a nice boat to sail and hang out in, the O'Day 22 can fill that desire. I can tell by the way that you're talking that you want this boat. If so, check it out good. Check the area near the chainplates for water seepage and rot on the bulkhead where the plates attach. Check the deck particularly under the mast tabernacle for sponginess.
Check the sails and the standing rigging. Take someone with you who can help you check this boat out. Preferably someone who know sailboats. Try to go into this with your eyes wide open and then make your decision.

 

[emergpa1]

Ventilation.... I dont need no stinkin ventilation! :2cool: !!
Wish I could go look at it right now, but alas... it is 140 miles from me. I think I have a case of lust!!! (for a boat???... hmmm). I have somewhat fallen in love with the O'Day. From what I have read on various sites, I like what I have read... Not a racer, but a steady cruiser that is for me... and stable, too what a package for a novice. Now if i can remeber all that I need to check, and not get overly attached.... big IF. If i don't buy that one, I have found others... a bit more expensive but under 5K but i'll have to travel to check out the boat(s), which I have been trying to avoid. anywhose.... thanks for all the assistance and I will write more about my adventures ( and ask more questions

You are in great danger of making a poor and very expensive decision, let it cool off and look at some other boats.

 

[gnusailor]

Don't get me wrong. I love a forward hatch. You have to be kidding me about ventilation. I live in MA and sail the bays in the summer and it gets boiling hot up here even out on the water. I use tarps over my boom and over my forward hatch to cool my cabin down when I'm on the hook. .

Sorry, Trinka.... the ventilation comment was my weak attempt at humor. In New Mexico, in the summer, ventillation is a requirement!!!

 

[gnusailor]

You are in great danger of making a poor and very expensive decision, let it cool off and look at some other boats.

Ahhhh... the voice of reason! I hope it was not one from experience. The absolute truth is that I don't know enough about boats, or sailing for that matter to jump too far into the pond. I think I will let it cool for a while, and see if someone in Albuquerque could take a strong look and see what they say. /* falling into lust mode */ maybe i should just offer to haul it away... maybe I could get a boat free errr .... unless I add the refurb and replacement costs.... and I would spend the summer in boat restoration instead if sailing... /* falls out of lust mode */ ... sigh:cry:

So, what would be a good price range for an oday22 or 25 late 70s that could be in the water fairly quickly but would need some cosmetic work?

 

[Brian S]

Looks like over at sailingtexas.com, through the 2000's, prices have ranged from a low of $1200 to a high of $3500:

http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats99oday20.html

Brian

So, what would be a good price range for an oday22 or 25 late 70s that could be in the water fairly quickly but would need some cosmetic work?

 

[Brian S]

Here's one in Alabama: http://sailingtexas.com/201201/soday22115.html

 

[Ward H]

Here's my story. Wanted a daysailor bad. No way wife would allow big expendature. Had one offered to me for $1000. 1976 Newport 17. Included trailer but no motor. I told her I could buy one for under $500. Boat was ready to sail. Wife excepted that. Seemed sound. Then she warned me if we got stranded that would be the end of sailing so I spent $1200 on a nice motor. Almost got carried away and spent $2000 on fiberglass repairs but guys here set me straight and I made minor repairs myself. Spent a couple hundred to replace grimy halyards and such. Spent a week sailing while on vacation in June. She loved it and but hated we had a dirty dingy sail compared to others. So $800 for new sail and another $250 for sail and jib cover. Then we decided we didn't like trailering so we got a slip. Took another vacation where we sailed for a week. At the end of that week we walked around the marina, looked at other boats, talked to a few people and ended up buying a 1980 O'day 25 for $3800. Ready to Sail, no soft spots, 10 yr old Outboard. Sold the Newport for $1800 less than a year after I bought it.
Took a big loss BUT if I started out wanting to spend $3,800 to see if we liked it, it would never have happened. And our thoughts on what type of sailing we wanted to do changed onced we tried it.
Sometimes you just have to jump in, take your lumps and learn what you really want or need.
As others have said, there are a lot of nice older boats out there. When you get under the $5000 price range it is a matter of structual condition, sails and cosmetics.
BTW, two repairs I considered paying for on my N17 would have cost almost $2k. I patched them myself for less than $50.

 

[emergpa1]

Here's my story. Wanted a daysailor bad. No way wife would allow big expendature. Had one offered to me for $1000. 1976 Newport 17. Included trailer but no motor. I told her I could buy one for under $500. Boat was ready to sail. Wife excepted that. Seemed sound. Then she warned me if we got stranded that would be the end of sailing so I spent $1200 on a nice motor. Almost got carried away and spent $2000 on fiberglass repairs but guys here set me straight and I made minor repairs myself. Spent a couple hundred to replace grimy halyards and such. Spent a week sailing while on vacation in June. She loved it and but hated we had a dirty dingy sail compared to others. So $800 for new sail and another $250 for sail and jib cover. Then we decided we didn't like trailering so we got a slip. Took another vacation where we sailed for a week. At the end of that week we walked around the marina, looked at other boats, talked to a few people and ended up buying a 1980 O'day 25 for $3800. Ready to Sail, no soft spots, 10 yr old Outboard. Sold the Newport for $1800 less than a year after I bought it.
Took a big loss BUT if I started out wanting to spend $3,800 to see if we liked it, it would never have happened. And our thoughts on what type of sailing we wanted to do changed onced we tried it.
Sometimes you just have to jump in, take your lumps and learn what you really want or need.
As others have said, there are a lot of nice older boats out there. When you get under the $5000 price range it is a matter of structual condition, sails and cosmetics.
BTW, two repairs I considered paying for on my N17 would have cost almost $2k. I patched them myself for less than $50.

Yes, and are you prpared for a lot of DIY stuff? Tools time garage or shed, patience? Some experience in construction wiring, auto maintenance, etc. the less you say yes, the more you will spend on acquisition and upkeep. Pats for a junker cost as much as fir a new boat.