New Boat Purchase

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Jul 20, 2005
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Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
IPs cost more, but some would not take one over a Hunter (me included). An IP is built for long distant cruising and Hunters are not. An IP is not good for a day sail but a Hunter is. An IP is not good in tight quarters, a Hunter is. An IP is not good in light wind, a Hunter is. A Hunter is not good at sailing in straight lines, but an IP is. A Hunter doesn't carry a lot of water, but an IP does. A Hunter doesn't carry a lot of fuel, but an IP does.

One thing I do admire about IPs is the craftmanship they have. I've always been impressed with that, but that's why the cost so much.

Learn about the qualities of the boats and then you will know which one is best for you. Me, I like the mixture of comfort, sailing ability, easy of sailing and designes of Hunters. I'm sure IP owners love the craftmanship, the sturdyness, and the capabilities of the IPs. I tend to think of the IPs as the Volvos of sailboats and Hunters as the Grand Ams of sailboats, Bennys more like Trans Ams, Js like Ferrari, Catalinas like a Tarus and so on. All are good boats that will get you to where you want to go as long as you take care of them, but some have more style, some are faster, some are funner, some are safer. You decide what you want out of a boat.
 
Jun 18, 2009
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Hunter 170 Ottawa
Phil:

The boat was 9 years old. The "expressed" hull warranty from Hunter is 5 years. However, here in Canada (and many US states as well), there are laws to protect consumers from defective goods and deceptive practices and these invalidate any manufacturer's attempts to limit liability to defined terms.
I am not saying the judge "accepted" Eddie's valuation. I am saying that, as a Hunter owner, I am very disspointed that that is the value Eddie suggested to the judge. And Eddie claimed he was looking at Hunter resale websites when he came up with this amount.
In anticipation of your next question, I decided not to pursue the case because I have no interest in investing even more money on this sunk cause to try to outspend Hunter on legal fees. I also suspect that Hunter is VERY concerned that, if found guilty, they will be responsible for HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS of defective ACP hulls so I am sure they would defend this vigorously. Instead, i plan on taking Hunter to "the court of public opinion" and do so endlessly and consistently. Others need to be warned.
 

Phil Herring

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Mar 25, 1997
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Was this something like a pre-trial conference? Is that kind of data public in Canada?
 

Les

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May 8, 2004
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Hunter 27 Bellingham, WA
For David (dserrel)

First off, I still have much to learn....about boats, cats, my wife of 52 years, etc. I start from the point that I have much to learn. And I'm not rich by any means. All our boats were bought on credit (interest deducted from the Feds) I just happen to like boats and look for good buys on good boats. An example. I bought the Hunter 380 for $129000 in 1999 and we sold it in 2008 for 121000. Yes, we did add "toys" to it and did have a slip cost per year and insurance but that is the cost of having this hobby. Other friends who travel have paid large amounts to cruise large ships and another friend loves golf so his costs are appropriate. For me when we sold the 380, I immediately purchased the Hunter 27 and because I had purchase previous Hunters, the company gave me 9000 off their advertised price. Perhaps it was the turndown in the economy, perhaps they were going to drop the price because of new building techniques--I really don't know but it worked out that I essentially got the same price back for my 380. The other kicker on this purchase is that because I was downsizing, I didn't have to pay sales tax in this state. Big plus there for me.

Next question: why this boat and not an IP or a Swan or Oyster or a Hallberg-Rossey? I dislike the overall question, what is a good boat? Everyone and I do mean everyone has a different idea of the words "good boat." I don't believe there is an operational definition of that term. Everyone who discusses it uses different terminology. What I think is good, you may say "ho-hum" and the next person thinks we both idiots.

I had the pleasure and the work of being a 100 ton skipper with my ticket given to me by the Coast Guard many years ago. I didn't go to the weekend classes as they have now. Because of that I was able to teach cruising, sailing, piloting and seamanship for local chartering companies and the ASA. This afforded me the opportunity of sailing on many different sailboats including the Cotton Blossom, a famous fifty foot wooden sailboat restored by Dennis Connors a few years back. I've sailed J's, San Juans. Cals, Scepters and a host of others--some called blue water boats like the IP. There are all good boats--I've never found a boat that was so terrible that I wouldn't go out on it. I didn't care for some--the Fast Passage 39 drove me crazy because it would not turn. Once you started it, it would go straight. It would be a good blue water boat if you wanted to go to Hawaii. Just aim the sucker. There were other good boats that I just didn't feel comfortable aboard. Not a thing wrong with them--just not my style.

I think buying a boat is like getting married. And there is no accounting for taste.

Now for the question: why did I buy a Hunter 27 in stead of a IP 27 or a West Wright Potter or....... I am seventy six and getting long in tooth. Jumping off my Hunter 380 was beginning to worry me. I don't jump as well any more. My wife and I had already decided our long distant cruises were a thing of the past. We both had medical problems that kept us closer to home. But day sailing and overnighters seem to be okay. Also we wanted to reduce our costs--there are no pay increases in my type of retirement. So I made a list of what I thought we needed. Furling main and jib, marine head (for the old guy), Yanmar engine (I have come to appreciate them), a small cook stove (to heat water), a light weight boat (I live in an area of light winds around islands), a dodger and most of all, a Max prop (so I could control the boat coming into a dock). We looked at a number of boats and the Hunter (on paper) fit our needs. I wasn't looking for a piece of furniture (the IP, Swan, Hallberg Rossie), just a toy to day sail by myself and for the two of us to enjoy in the afternoon. I wanted a sailboat that could go from Bellingham (WA) to Friday Harbor (San Juan Islands WA) to perhaps Sydney BC (Canada). The Hunter 27 has been able to do all that. I've enjoyed the boat very much and it does what I want. I can also jump off of it when coming into our slip and hold it in place. I am happy with this boat. NO regrets

There is a funny part to this story of buying a new boat. When we first saw the Hunter 27 in reality, both my wife and I did not like the hatch cover. Hard to push away and it was scratching the fiberglass cabin top. So we told the yard crew to fix it. They called Hunter (the company) and were given some sort of up-grade. When I got the boat home to Bellingham we still didn't pushing the hatch open. Very hard. So I told Signature. Our salesman looked at it and said he see what he could do....with the look of someone who had no idea of what he was going to do. Shortly after that, we had companion way door installed from Creative Conceps (can be found on this web site) and I don't know what he did with the hatch cover--he added something to fit the doors but the hatch now pushes easily and is 100 percent better. So what do I know--or Signature--or the ship yard or Hunter for that fact. If someone says how did I fix my hatch cover, I would tell them, buy companionway doors from Hunterowners.com. They would probably think I'm crazy.

My best to you..
 
Sep 8, 2009
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Island Packet 31 Cutter/Centerboard Federal Point Yacht Club, Carolina Beach, NC
Ahoy Les,

You've certaintly answered the question! At 76, and being an active sailor, I salute you! Personal preference, "it's in all in the eyes of the beholder"! 52 years and counting is truly remarkable!

Had a relative purchase a used 29' Bayliner cabin cruiser with twin inboard "gas" motors. He had a wife an a couple of young children, and a 100 ton captain's license. Never asked him the same question I asked you! Always wondered why he purchase the Bayliner, however you've answered that question, I never asked him! It's wonderful that we have freedom to choose our own sailboats. Cheers to you and your wife, keep sailing!

David
 
Jun 18, 2009
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Hunter 170 Ottawa
Taking Hunter Marine to Court

Was this something like a pre-trial conference? Is that kind of data public in Canada?
Phil: In Ontario, Canada, before a case can be heard in Small Claims court, the judge insists on conducting a pre-trial hearing. The intent is to try to get both parties to settle without creating an undue strain on our already overburdened courts. I told the judge about my experience with the severe and mysterious cracking of my Hunter ACP hull in mid winter. Hunter was represented by Eddie Breeden and a law firm from Toronto. The judge asked Eddie if he was prepared to offer any restitution. He said "no". The judge then informed me that he was satisfied that there was enough evidence to allow this case to proceed to court. However, he warned me, that to do so might be expensive for me personally. Only days later did Eddie make the inadequate offer I referenced above. I don't think there is a public record of this proceeding, but this is exactly what happened. If you want verification, you can ask Eddie yourself.
 

shorty

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Apr 14, 2005
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Pearson P34 Mt Desert, ME
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Get a good surveyor though. The one that looked at my Pearson 34 5 years ago was not. Fortunately the boat was/is in generally great shape but he poo-poo'd a rudder problem & then I replaced it a year later. Also a few less critical things
 
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