Hello, Enjoyed reading the posts and looking at all the hard work. I have an '83 that I am trying to bring back to life. This one sat on stands for a while. She is on a trailer now and I'm getting ready to launch. I am not new to sailing or restoration work. I just don't have another 22 that is close to verify these things with. Please help if you can with the following: 1). With the mast stepped or up, are the spreaders supposed to be flat or angled down? I know they are swept back a little but mine are pointing towards the deck and don't look right to me. The mast has been replaced and I'm not sure the marina that did it knew what they were doing. 2). The bilge pump is installed underneath starboard floorboard, not the square hole underneath the sink. Will it do any good there when it is in the water? Any water that collects seems to migrate to the two bilges under the floor boards because they are the lowest point while on the trailer. Will that change when the boat is in the water? 3). I have a pesky leak that leaves water in the farthest forward storage compartment underneath the vee berth. Any ideas? It doesn't look like the main hatch is leaking, however I haven't been in the boat while its raining to find out. I just see the aftermath. Thank you in advance for your help. Jim Joint Venture 22
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First and most important thought: there shouldn't be room under the floorboards for a bilge pump, it should be full of ballast. If the ballast has been removed, the entire sailing characteristic of the boat has been changed and may be dangerous. Drag that thing to a scale and see if it weighs about 3200 pounds (add 600 or so for the trailer.) The 22 originally came with 1300 pounds of ballast. The spreaders should be level and swept back. If they are flopping down either they are very loose, the rigging is getting hung and pulling them down, or both. Of course this applies mostly to the Kenyon masts that originally came with the boat, however, I can't imagine a spreader doing its job if it was not perpendicular to the mast. Check the pictures of 22's in the boat info section of the Hunter Owners website. I think there's at least one pic that shows the spreaders. The forward leak may be from the anchor locker. I have one too. Currently tarping the whole boat while it's on the trailer is my solution until the weather dries out a bit. Also, check the anchor locker drain hole. It's a perfect place for critters to live and that would certainly disable its function. I hope this helps.
First and most important thought: there shouldn't be room under the floorboards for a bilge pump, it should be full of ballast. If the ballast has been removed, the entire sailing characteristic of the boat has been changed and may be dangerous. Drag that thing to a scale and see if it weighs about 3200 pounds (add 600 or so for the trailer.) The 22 originally came with 1300 pounds of ballast. The spreaders should be level and swept back. If they are flopping down either they are very loose, the rigging is getting hung and pulling them down, or both. Of course this applies mostly to the Kenyon masts that originally came with the boat, however, I can't imagine a spreader doing its job if it was not perpendicular to the mast. Check the pictures of 22's in the boat info section of the Hunter Owners website. I think there's at least one pic that shows the spreaders. The forward leak may be from the anchor locker. I have one too. Currently tarping the whole boat while it's on the trailer is my solution until the weather dries out a bit. Also, check the anchor locker drain hole. It's a perfect place for critters to live and that would certainly disable its function. I hope this helps.
Fixed Keel
I believe you are describing a fixed keel H22. I believe Hunter built many less of the fixed keels than the folding keel models. I have a fixed keel H22. The area under the sole boards on a fixed keel is a bilge. There will be a considerable amount of water in the main bilge area of a fixed keel model before the water shows up in the bilge under the sink. I had water showing up in the forward compartment that was coming from a leaking flange on the forward hatch. Spraying water in the forward area should help you locate the leak quickly. The spreader bars on mine are level. I would check the cockpit drain hoses before sailing. The scupper fitting is out of the water when the boat is sitting still. However, under power the scupper fitting submerges and could cause trouble if there are any leaks. I ended up removing the port side aft bulkhead in order to get in a position to replace the cockpit drain hoses. I also was able to check all of the hardware in the aft section of the boat while I had the bulkhead removed. My fixed keel also has three stainless steel bolts that attach the keel to the boat. Two of the nuts for these bolts are under the table top. I removed the table to get to these nuts and check them tight. The third in in the small bilge under the sink. I believe they are 3/4" nuts. You will need a deep socket for this work. I usually have water show up in the bilge while under sail (not sure where it is coming from). The broker that I bought the boat from indicated that some owners of H22 fixed keels attempted to fiberglass the seam where the keel joins the hull. This may be the source of my leak when under sail. I ususally lift a floor board and put the bilge with a manual pump as need while under sail (maybe once every 4-6 hours of sailing). The bilge stays very dry while sitting still. My boat stays in the water year round. I'll be interested to hear your experience with taking on water under sail.
I believe you are describing a fixed keel H22. I believe Hunter built many less of the fixed keels than the folding keel models. I have a fixed keel H22. The area under the sole boards on a fixed keel is a bilge. There will be a considerable amount of water in the main bilge area of a fixed keel model before the water shows up in the bilge under the sink. I had water showing up in the forward compartment that was coming from a leaking flange on the forward hatch. Spraying water in the forward area should help you locate the leak quickly. The spreader bars on mine are level. I would check the cockpit drain hoses before sailing. The scupper fitting is out of the water when the boat is sitting still. However, under power the scupper fitting submerges and could cause trouble if there are any leaks. I ended up removing the port side aft bulkhead in order to get in a position to replace the cockpit drain hoses. I also was able to check all of the hardware in the aft section of the boat while I had the bulkhead removed. My fixed keel also has three stainless steel bolts that attach the keel to the boat. Two of the nuts for these bolts are under the table top. I removed the table to get to these nuts and check them tight. The third in in the small bilge under the sink. I believe they are 3/4" nuts. You will need a deep socket for this work. I usually have water show up in the bilge while under sail (not sure where it is coming from). The broker that I bought the boat from indicated that some owners of H22 fixed keels attempted to fiberglass the seam where the keel joins the hull. This may be the source of my leak when under sail. I ususally lift a floor board and put the bilge with a manual pump as need while under sail (maybe once every 4-6 hours of sailing). The bilge stays very dry while sitting still. My boat stays in the water year round. I'll be interested to hear your experience with taking on water under sail.
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Jim
Ballast?
What is the ballast made of? Lead? This boat is a fixed keel version and i can't imagine it needing to be heavier to sail. My fixed keel is twice the size of the 22's swing keel. I'm confused now! Thank you for all of your suggestions and input past and future. Jim
What is the ballast made of? Lead? This boat is a fixed keel version and i can't imagine it needing to be heavier to sail. My fixed keel is twice the size of the 22's swing keel. I'm confused now! Thank you for all of your suggestions and input past and future. Jim
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Jim
reply to Bud
Hello Bud, Thank You for the commments and suggestions. Yes, it is a fixed keel. I was very suspect of the spreaders and you confirmed it. I am glad I won't have to move the bilge pump. I will definately check out the cockpit drain hoses. I wondered if those were going to present a problem. I will keep you posted on the leakage while under sail. I am guessing that it will be a problem. The sealant that they used is probably wearing out and letting water in. Someone installed a 5" port to access the third keel bolt. (maybe factory)? Thanks Jim
Hello Bud, Thank You for the commments and suggestions. Yes, it is a fixed keel. I was very suspect of the spreaders and you confirmed it. I am glad I won't have to move the bilge pump. I will definately check out the cockpit drain hoses. I wondered if those were going to present a problem. I will keep you posted on the leakage while under sail. I am guessing that it will be a problem. The sealant that they used is probably wearing out and letting water in. Someone installed a 5" port to access the third keel bolt. (maybe factory)? Thanks Jim
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Brant Bricarell
fixed keel
I also have a fixed keel and it is always in the waterbut I hardly ever have water in the bilge. My main problem is in that forward area from my forward hathc leaking, they are to dang expensive to replace. I can get the water out of my bilge with a sponge every few months and that is the evtent of the problem. The boat never takes on water when sailing even in high winds and really heeled over.
I also have a fixed keel and it is always in the waterbut I hardly ever have water in the bilge. My main problem is in that forward area from my forward hathc leaking, they are to dang expensive to replace. I can get the water out of my bilge with a sponge every few months and that is the evtent of the problem. The boat never takes on water when sailing even in high winds and really heeled over.
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