New Awlgrip issue

millerkm81 · Jun 6, 2006

Andy,
are you using Awlgrip? Hans and I just finished painting Whisper with
INterlux Perfection and we rolled & tipped. I rolled, Hans came after
wtih the brush. We found that we needed to use a lot of thinner, and
we kept on adding thinner throughout, and we also found that I didn't
need to put much paint on the roller. Of course if you're using
Awlgrip, this may not be helpful at all, but I guess make sure you're
not putting too much paint on the roller. Use 2 people.
good luck! It's worth it. Whisper is getting splashed today, we'll
post pictures.
Kristen

alan_critchlow · Jun 6, 2006

It is counter intiutive. We added the maximum amount of reducer. (It
is not like latex or oil paints.) The more reducer you add the faster
it flashes off. Thus it goes on thinner. You see your brush marks in
the 3 by 3 ft patch and then go on to the next patch and magically the
brush marks disappear. Our biggest problem was maintaining a wet edge.
It dried too quickly. I cannot imagine painting in temperatures over 20
deg C.(70 deg F). We always had some runs but no one notices them.

I hope that you are using the products for roll and tip. Awl Grip and
Perfection are owned by the same company. I would probably paint with
Perfection next time. Although our results were spectacular.

This is toxic stuff. Do not spray it! It is moisture cured and if it
gets in your lungs it cures there.

Alan Critchlow V 1639 Voila

stevebirch2002 · Jun 7, 2006

Hi Andy

The last Vega Diana Webb and I painted we used Blakes Poly (2 part epoxy
paint) and did not thin at all. We painted in about 65 degrees
Farenheit. I used a small 4" roller and Diana followed (doing thecareful
bit) with a small foam brush to take out the lines etc. We covered with
3 coats of undercoat and four coats of topcoat. Each coat took about an
hour and the finished product looked great if I say so myself. We did
bugger up one coat as it went "orange-peel" the next day but a light
sanding and another coat sorted that out. Even the professionals that
launched teh Vega thought it had been sprayed. Thisd Vega "Debonair" is
still looking pretty smart after 5/6 years of use. The skill was
definetely on Diana's part, I was just providing the muscle and extra
pair of hands with the roller. I learnt that time and patience are
essential and you need someone with that eye for detail on teh last
brush part.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

xiphion1209 · Jun 7, 2006

I have painted my Vega hull "Xiphion" from white to oxford blue.

I used the international "Top Lac" system. This involved sanding back, then
2 coats of the international "under kote" yes spelt like that, then 2 coats
of the "Top Lac". You have a choice of under coat colours, I chose dark
blue to get the colour change. This is not an epoxy system, just normal
paint - Much cheaper!!

I did this on my own with a foam roller. When the paint first goes on it
has quite a few air bubbles, but whilst it is still wet I then VERY lightly
went back over it, and all the bubbles disappeared. The paint goes a long
way. Don't be tempted to put too much, otherwise you get runs.

A 750 ml tin will give you 2 coats. It was a little cold the day I did it,
circa 9 degree's so I boiled a pan of water on board, took it off the stove
and used that to hold the paint tin. This kept it nice and runny and much
easier to apply.

The result is amazing. No one believes me when I say it's been done by
hand, it has a gloss finish and all I did this year was a quick run around
with some auto glym radiant wax polish by hand and it looked again as good
as new. This job can easily be done over 1 weekend, providing you complete
the sanding by the 1st lunch time and get 2 coats of under coat on by the
1st day.

Have a go and happy sailing

Tim

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Birch
Sent: 07 June 2006 08:55
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] New Awlgrip issue

Hi Andy

The last Vega Diana Webb and I painted we used Blakes Poly (2 part epoxy
paint) and did not thin at all. We painted in about 65 degrees
Farenheit. I used a small 4" roller and Diana followed (doing thecareful
bit) with a small foam brush to take out the lines etc. We covered with
3 coats of undercoat and four coats of topcoat. Each coat took about an
hour and the finished product looked great if I say so myself. We did
bugger up one coat as it went "orange-peel" the next day but a light
sanding and another coat sorted that out. Even the professionals that
launched teh Vega thought it had been sprayed. Thisd Vega "Debonair" is
still looking pretty smart after 5/6 years of use. The skill was
definetely on Diana's part, I was just providing the muscle and extra
pair of hands with the roller. I learnt that time and patience are
essential and you need someone with that eye for detail on teh last
brush part.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

tom_rutter · Jun 7, 2006

Yes, I can confirm it does still look good above decks as I'm living aboard
"debonair" at the moment! There was some flaking of the epoxy layer below
the waterline, but the deck and topsides look very good.

Tom

xxxblister · Jun 7, 2006

Well I'm glad to see SOMEONE'S getting good results!

I suppose it
would have been wise to ask these questions BEFORE I had already
started painting. I spent last night sanding the drips out of the
first cote of awlgrip and things are smooth again at least. I'll get
one more bite at the apple once the bloody rain stops. Alan's right,
it's counter intuitive. I should have used MORE than 10% reducer so
it flashed off quicker. I'll try that this time round and try to use
less paint. Wish me luck mates. I'll post pics as soon as I can.
Andy
www.andyt13.com

stevebirch2002 · Jun 7, 2006

Hi Tom

We didnt do the epoxy layer below the waterline!! Only painted the
topsides and coachroof!! Glad she still looks fine.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

stevebirch2002 · Jun 7, 2006

Hi Tim

I can vouch for teh finish on Xiphion, she looks great. Puts my
professional paintjob on Southern Comfort toshame but mine was done 8
years ago!

How did you get on in the RTIR ?

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

trevy_kins · Jun 7, 2006

My deck is kind of dull and tired looking, not to mention the odd
crazing here and there. Has anyone had good experience painting the
deck? What kind of prep is required? Must all the fittings be removed?
How does the non-skid turn out after paint is applied? What is the best
paint to use? How well does deck paint stand up to abrasion and UV's ?
Thanks, Trev Leech

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Birch
Sent: June 7, 2006 9:56 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] New Awlgrip issue

Hi Tim

I can vouch for teh finish on Xiphion, she looks great. Puts my
professional paintjob on Southern Comfort toshame but mine was done 8
years ago!

How did you get on in the RTIR ?

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

stevebirch2002 · Jun 7, 2006

Hi Trev

Best to take all fittings off, sand and prepare will. Mask off the
smooth areas and paint them with a 2-pack paint (small roller and burch
for teh hard bits to reach), when dry and enough coats mask off the
ant-slip area and paint with Blakes Deckpaint (anti-slip) using a 4"
smooth roller. Watch for paint spatter and wipe any off as soon as it
hits the deck. This will give a great hard-wearing finish that will be
good for another 30 years ish!

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

emmajen5 · Jun 7, 2006

Just a thought about painting in general. I went to a talk by a
local fibre-glass pro last
month and his first piece of advice about painting was
"don't, unless you really have to." His point was
that the original gel-coat is always going to be the
best exterior surface and before resorting to painting,
at least try a gel-coat restoration product of some
sort plus an annual buffed polish.

Garry
"Raven" V2427

xiphion1209 · Jun 7, 2006

Thanks for the comments

RTIR - Not enough wind and the tide turned early - Had to retire.

Can't believe that a Contessa 26 won it again, out of 1,700 boats.

May be next year. We ended up in Newtown Creek and went to the pub by 4pm.
Great sail back to Cowes with Kite up, then more parties till not sure when

Tim

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From: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Birch
Sent: 07 June 2006 14:56
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] New Awlgrip issue

Hi Tim

I can vouch for teh finish on Xiphion, she looks great. Puts my
professional paintjob on Southern Comfort toshame but mine was done 8
years ago!

How did you get on in the RTIR ?

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

millerkm81 · Jun 7, 2006

Hans and I also just painted Whisper's deck. Here are some thoughts:
1. be ready for A LOT of prep work.
2. take off as much fittings & hardware that you can. Then take some
more off.
3. We used Interlux Perfection paint and we followed the directions
exactly.--basically...
a. sand the smooth areas; sand the non-skid areas with steel wool
b. wipe down with 202 solvent wash to release mold
c. paint one coat of epoxy primekote (Interlux); repeat a-c.
d. sand again & clean with brushing reducer (2333N)
e we then painted all smooth areas with Perfection, twice, sanding
in between coats. This was really difficult because we had to keep a
wet edge. We ended up with seams and runs and sags, but overall it
looks great.
f. tape off the non-skid areas then we used Interlux's non-skid
additive and mixed that with cream-colored prefection and rolled two
coats on the non-skid areas.

4. wait to dry and ooooh and aaaah at the results.

We're going to have to put a third coat inside the cockpit since
there are some areas that are showing throgh as well as some spots
that we missed. The whole process took a really long time and was a
lot of work, but it is worth it.
Good luck (sorry if I was a little long-winded).
Kristen

bpaphil · Jun 7, 2006

I'm just wondering if you all removed all the deck hardware before
painting. That would make it a big job.

stevebirch2002 · Jun 7, 2006

The more you remove, the easier and better the paint job.

Cheers

Steve Birch (Technical)

millerkm81 · Jun 7, 2006

I completely agree with Steve.
For our paint job, it was about a day and a half for 2 people to
remove all the hardware. The time you save removing the hardware,
you'll spend taping it all off & the final product won't be as good
as it could be.
We have yet to put it all back on, I expect that will take a little
longer.

Kristen

david_btchlr · Jun 7, 2006

We drifted passed each other on Sat, Xiphion looked fantastic - thats
another item to add to the wish list.

We got as far as alum bay before putting the kettle on as you say
next year I might even invest in an IRC rating to get an extra hour up
to needles