Nesting Dinghy

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Styx

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Sep 6, 2011
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S2 8.0C Erie
I have a S2 8.0c and am starting to look for a dinghy. I am new to sailing.

In my research, I came across a nesting dinghy. Does anyone have any thoughts, recommendations, or information I can use in regards to a nesting dinghy?

I also would appreciate any suggestions you might have for a dinghy for me.

I think I want a sailing dinghy that I can row or use a small motor if need be.

My plan is to sail the Great Lakes for a while and then head to Florida. There will be two of us sailing.
 
Sep 9, 2011
44
Catalina 320 Alameda
If you have the skills to build a kit and can work out a storage solution, the CLC Passage Maker is an interesting nester. If you want to build an Heirloom dinghy, look at the PT11 kit. There are lots of other options, some much less expensive if you have fabrication skills. Google "Nesting Dinghy Plans". If you want to buy a completed boat, look at the NN10. However, if what you need is safe transportation to and from the boat, you may find that an inflatible is a better solution. You can row one if necessary. They are stable, topside friendly, and easier to store. Good luck in your decision.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
.... However, if what you need is safe transportation to and from the boat, you may find that an inflatable is a better solution. You can row one if necessary. They are stable, topside friendly, and easier to store. Good luck in your decision.
I love the looks of a lot of the hard side dinghy's out there and having one that you could also sail would be neat, but I don't see us giving up our inflatable. For us it is the safety issue and knowing that it is there in the unlikely event that we would have to abandon the boat for whatever reason. I'd trust it in pretty heavy seas to at least keep us above the water.

I wouldn't want one any smaller, especially one with smaller...



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...tubes than what we have. We were tempted to buy one of those where the outboard attaches to a piece of wood off the stern tube. After using this one I think we would of been disappointing with that one. We have also used it on all of our trips and couldn't of gotten by without one. Lets us sightsee a little, gets us to shore and hauls water and other supplies back to the boat.

It does have its drawbacks. The major one is that you are not going to row it in any kind of strong wind. In fact the Zodiac that we have is not fun rowing period. I find it easier to sit forward and use a kayaka paddle for what moving we do without the outboard, but the outboard is almost always on it if we are using it at all.



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I'm not saying they are for everyone, but if you cruise and takes trips I can't imagine not having one,

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Dec 20, 2011
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Cal 28 Eagle River
I bought a mercury Inflatable 200 air floor PVC 6 1/2 ft.long ! It fits on deck ,deflated fits under deck, or can be towed! Takes a 3 hp & come with oars, can carrry #562 persons, motor,& gear. I am impressed...Dale
 
May 24, 2004
7,164
CC 30 South Florida
Your plans do not provide much information about your type of sailing. I get the idea you may be looking at a sailing and rowing dinghy as a form of entertainment while the boat is at anchor. Sailing dinghys and good row boats are usually hard shelled. The problem with these is finding storage on basically a 27' boat. An inflatable provides excellent stability and has good load carrying capacity. They do not row very well but for the practical use of getting from ship to shore and carrying provisions they are hard to beat. They are fairly light weight for handling and could be rolled up into a lazarette for long passages. For two people I would recommend a 9 footer with a 2 to 4 HP small outboard.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,168
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I think the nesting dinghy is a terrific solution for a tender. Besides ferrying back and forth, they could be a lot of fun recreationally. Many of the models I looked at on the sites Cherie320 suggested had flotation build into them... making the just as save as an inflatable and alot more functional. As long as you have storage on deck I think it's a good option.
 

DannyS

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May 27, 2004
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Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
While I've never had a nesting dinghy, I've owned both, a hard, stitch and glue sailing dinghy that I built myself and an inflatable. As much as I love the hard dinghy for it's rowing/sailing/head turning/conversation starting abilities, we use the inflatable. While noone makes comments on the inflatable like they do with the hard dinghy which I kind of miss, I love the versatility of the inflatable. I love to fish out of it while at anchor, the stability is unbeatable, the kids like to go fast at times. It also allows us to "explore" farther than what is realistic to row. However, if the motor conks out, I'd hate to try and row this beast for any distance. I built the hard dinghy with the sailing rig thinking it'd be fun around the anchorage which it was, but I'd rather "sail" the mothership and storing the sailing rig for the dinghy took up a lot of room. Lastly, storing the hard dinghy on deck required alot of padding, chocking and strapping to keep it from moving or scratching the deck. With an inflatable, thats not a problem.
It's all a compromise.
 

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Styx

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Sep 6, 2011
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S2 8.0C Erie
Thanks everyone for the info. I see I have a lot more research to do.
 
Mar 23, 2011
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Down East Yachts Downeaster 38 040 Milford, CT
I have a Spindrift 10N with a sailing kit. The plans and sails are sold by these guys:

http://www.bandbyachtdesigns.com/spin.htm

I'm pretty happy with it, but I haven't done any extensive cruising yet, just some weekend or week long stuff around Long Island Sound. We will probably get a small inflatable as a second "car" when we go for extended cruising. I have davits for it for inshore cruising and will disassemble it and strap it to the deck for anything offshore. I have an electric trolling motor for when I don't want to row or set up the sailing kit.

Performance wise, it sails quite well and rows and motors great.

As far as things I think should be improved; there should be about 3" or so more freeboard. You definitely get some splashes over the side when you are going through chop. Also, there are things that I don't like about the sailing rig. You can ask me about that if you start considering this type of dink.

Here's a picture of "Wallace" last spring just before launch. In this picture we had just finished the argyle pattern shear stripe and rope rub-rail.




 

TomY

Alden Forum Moderator
Jun 22, 2004
2,768
Alden 38' Challenger yawl Rockport Harbor
I have a S2 8.0c and am starting to look for a dinghy. I am new to sailing.

In my research, I came across a nesting dinghy. Does anyone have any thoughts, recommendations, or information I can use in regards to a nesting dinghy?

I also would appreciate any suggestions you might have for a dinghy for me.

I think I want a sailing dinghy that I can row or use a small motor if need be.

My plan is to sail the Great Lakes for a while and then head to Florida. There will be two of us sailing.
We towed one from Lake Champlain to the Bahamas behind a 28'er. In fact, we've done it twice and still tow our dinghy coastal sailing New England. We have a larger pram these days, a 9'6" Nutshell sailing/rowing dinghy. We love rowing and sailing that boat all through New England. We've liked prams for tenders because we've had to haul some large loads over the years with a family of 4.

This larger pram we've used for the last 18 years(I built it), can fit on deck of our 38'er, but I've never done it(not an easy thing). The coastal sailing we do, even with an occasional overnight across the Gulf of Maine, I feel confident I can get a safe weather forecast. After 25+ years of towing, that's been the case. But prams tow like corks, many vee bowed tenders would not behave as well.

Remember, that tender, be it a hard dinghy or inflatable, has to be safe and seaworthy. The dinghy that fits on deck for safety purposes, may in fact be dangerous if you need to overload it in order to use it.

Nesters are a great idea for deck stowage but I've been told actual use is not as easy as the concept sounds. But I don't have experience.

I would only say you can do what you're planning, even going down south, with a simple hard dinghy. We've been all through the Bahamas with one. Rowing is fun in the right boat.

I've seen some people wait until they have the right boat and all the "stuff" before they do what you're planning. Sometimes, it doesn't all come together, and they don't go. Our son sailing our dinghy in Cuttyhunk. Cutty TT dinghy sailing sized.jpg
 
May 4, 2005
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Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
sit on top kayaks are pretty hard to sink, but are wet, and bulky... but I love them. (warm weather sailor)

 
Oct 24, 2010
2,405
Hunter 30 Everett, WA
We prefer an inflatable that will stow small (not possible with most inflatables) That's because we don't use it often. When we do we put a Honda 2 hp on it because they row poorly. We got ours at Costco (I looked online, not presently available.)
We also have a RIB, an 8' Livingston, also at one time towed a 15' Coleman canoe, still prefer the little cheap inflatable.
 

MrBee

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Dec 30, 2008
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Irwin 34 Citation Middle River, Md.
I bought a mercury Inflatable 200 air floor PVC 6 1/2 ft.long ! It fits on deck ,deflated fits under deck, or can be towed! Takes a 3 hp & come with oars, can carrry #562 persons, motor,& gear. I am impressed...Dale
Glad to hear you like this, we just bought one. We don't use a dinghy very often and we can shove this thing to the back end of our quarter birth, out of site out of mind till we need it.
 
Mar 23, 2011
30
Down East Yachts Downeaster 38 040 Milford, CT
nice work Argyle38. How did you attach the rope fender?

Thanks! I attached the fender with screws through a strand of the rope adjacent to the hull, and hidden by the other two strands. It was quite easy. For each rope, once you have the first screw in, you pull the rope taut and locate a strand that is against the hull at the location you want the next screw. Keeping of that strand and location on the rope, release the rope and unlay the strands a bit so you can drive the screw through that strand. Drill a pilot hole where the screw goes and re-position the rope. It's pretty easy then to stick a screwdriver between the outside two strands and secure that section. I use pan headed screws since the flat backside of the head would better hold against the strand fibers. At first I had the screws in every foot, but there was a bit too much sag between sections, so I went back and doubled up and put screws in every 6 inches. That made it quite secure. You couldn't lift the boat by the rub rail, but that's ok. I like the idea that if against enough force, the screws will likely pull through the strands rather than ripping out of the hull.

I used Leo-Flex X synthetic manilla. It worked pretty well but I have to re-do them this year. The issue is at the split between the two sections of the hull. I terminated the ends of the rope with crown splices. This looked a bit nicer then just using whipping, but it created a problem. The crown splice is larger than the rest of the rope and thus, sticks out more. Well, I store the dink on a platform attached to the docks at my marina. The mothership is on a floating dock, 50 yards out in the middle of the river. So, every time I store the dinghy, I have to tip it over so it doesn't fill with water. While doing the tipping, the bulk of the weight of the boat is on those crown splices and, of course, they pulled through over the course of the year. This year, I have some new rope and I'm going to just whip the ends and put some heavy duty leather straps over them and secure the straps tightly with some brass bar or something similar. We'll see if that is robust enough to survive a season or two.
 
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