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Have you tried an auto parts shop?
I assume you are looking for a starter motor. My YSE8 has a Datsun B210 starter motor according to the PO and its been working fine for 3 years. I don't know how similar the SVE and YSE are but here is the short story on the B210 starter. The PO was faced with a price quote of about $700 CDN for a Yanmar starter. He took the old one to several auto electric repair shops to see if it could be rebuilt, and one guy recognized the stater as the same as used by Datsun. A new "Datsun" starter was only a little over $100. Kevin
I assume you are looking for a starter motor. My YSE8 has a Datsun B210 starter motor according to the PO and its been working fine for 3 years. I don't know how similar the SVE and YSE are but here is the short story on the B210 starter. The PO was faced with a price quote of about $700 CDN for a Yanmar starter. He took the old one to several auto electric repair shops to see if it could be rebuilt, and one guy recognized the stater as the same as used by Datsun. A new "Datsun" starter was only a little over $100. Kevin
Yanmar Starter
If you type the keyword -- yanmar -- and hit GO, you'll get at least 5 pages of hits. I'm sure you'll find a source for your starter among them.
If you type the keyword -- yanmar -- and hit GO, you'll get at least 5 pages of hits. I'm sure you'll find a source for your starter among them.
Big Time Wrong Way to Go, Do NOT Do It!!!
Using automotive parts in a marine application is just like playing Russian Roulette with your boat and your life. Electrical parts are not spark protected and fuel parts vent to the outside. I realize there is significantly less danger with diesel than with gas but I implore you not to do it. If you insist do not let anyone else on your boat to explode with you and make damn sure you keep away from me and my boat as I do not want to suffer any of the collateral damage. Rant over. Maybe an automotive electrical place can rebuild it if it is the windings or the brushes.
Using automotive parts in a marine application is just like playing Russian Roulette with your boat and your life. Electrical parts are not spark protected and fuel parts vent to the outside. I realize there is significantly less danger with diesel than with gas but I implore you not to do it. If you insist do not let anyone else on your boat to explode with you and make damn sure you keep away from me and my boat as I do not want to suffer any of the collateral damage. Rant over. Maybe an automotive electrical place can rebuild it if it is the windings or the brushes.
Not so
With respect Rick, you are not correct here. Most marine diesels in these applications are "marine-ized" engines, usually from tractors. For small Universals, like the M25, it is a Kubota. There is no spark protection, nor is any requried; and the starter, alternator, and other stuff is exactly what is installed on the tractors. This stuff about blowing up boats with tractor parts is a lot of nonsense put out by the marine engine guys.
With respect Rick, you are not correct here. Most marine diesels in these applications are "marine-ized" engines, usually from tractors. For small Universals, like the M25, it is a Kubota. There is no spark protection, nor is any requried; and the starter, alternator, and other stuff is exactly what is installed on the tractors. This stuff about blowing up boats with tractor parts is a lot of nonsense put out by the marine engine guys.
Marine Engine Guys Must be in Cahoots With USCG
I teach Boating Safety Courses with the Coast Guard Auxiliary that would explain my admonishment and my rant. We take it very seriously and often refer to it as Preventative SAR (Search and Rescue). It is much easier, cheaper and safer to teach and prevent an accident than to go out and search, rescue or God forbid recover someone. I just checked some of our material and it does not differentiate between diesel and gas engines for fuel and electrical automotive vs. marine parts. They may look identical but they are not. While diesel may not burn or flash as quickly as gas it will and the results are just as catastrophic. There is another thread going about cheaper non-marine products and false economy. I do not think the difference in price between the Datsun and Yanmar starter will fund a funeral. That sounds like false economy to me for sure.
I teach Boating Safety Courses with the Coast Guard Auxiliary that would explain my admonishment and my rant. We take it very seriously and often refer to it as Preventative SAR (Search and Rescue). It is much easier, cheaper and safer to teach and prevent an accident than to go out and search, rescue or God forbid recover someone. I just checked some of our material and it does not differentiate between diesel and gas engines for fuel and electrical automotive vs. marine parts. They may look identical but they are not. While diesel may not burn or flash as quickly as gas it will and the results are just as catastrophic. There is another thread going about cheaper non-marine products and false economy. I do not think the difference in price between the Datsun and Yanmar starter will fund a funeral. That sounds like false economy to me for sure.
Enough!
Rick, you're wrong about this, and the stuff you and CG Aux. teach on this topic is just blanket coverage. I know about this engine topic, having taken the stuff apart, read the CG standards, the ABYC standards, and gone over the topic with a friend who's a former Westerbeke engineer. I DEFY you to discover any difference whatsoever between an M25 starter form Universal/Westerbeke and Kubota - even hte stamped part numbers are identical. Likewise for the alternators for diesel applicaitons. Gas is a different story, which has special requirements for ignition shielding/protection and spark arresting. I would appreciate it if you would cite facts and drop the "God forbid," "funeral," "preventative SAR" junk, which doesn't inform anyone. Maybe you could provide references to the Aux. material on-line, or the Coast Guard regulations or specs., or ABYC standards?
Rick, you're wrong about this, and the stuff you and CG Aux. teach on this topic is just blanket coverage. I know about this engine topic, having taken the stuff apart, read the CG standards, the ABYC standards, and gone over the topic with a friend who's a former Westerbeke engineer. I DEFY you to discover any difference whatsoever between an M25 starter form Universal/Westerbeke and Kubota - even hte stamped part numbers are identical. Likewise for the alternators for diesel applicaitons. Gas is a different story, which has special requirements for ignition shielding/protection and spark arresting. I would appreciate it if you would cite facts and drop the "God forbid," "funeral," "preventative SAR" junk, which doesn't inform anyone. Maybe you could provide references to the Aux. material on-line, or the Coast Guard regulations or specs., or ABYC standards?
More than Enough...
John Your points are persuasive. Alternators need to be ignition protected in gasoline environments because they're open and they spark inside. Open body, sparks in gas, BOOM! Starters and solenoids are closed body units, and, other than their connections (which shouldn't spark) they're not open and, hence, as far as I can determine (reading, research, etc.) are not even rated as "iginition protected." Stu
John Your points are persuasive. Alternators need to be ignition protected in gasoline environments because they're open and they spark inside. Open body, sparks in gas, BOOM! Starters and solenoids are closed body units, and, other than their connections (which shouldn't spark) they're not open and, hence, as far as I can determine (reading, research, etc.) are not even rated as "iginition protected." Stu
alternators
Dont forget that many alternators have built in regulators. these regulators in boats are set up differently than in cars because your charging requirements are so differnt. the boat often has to deal with a battery bank that has been run all day without recharge (low charge) a car starts the motor and then runs pretty much off the alternator output. only has to replace the lost charge of a quick start. car parts may work but its not the way to go for alternators!
Dont forget that many alternators have built in regulators. these regulators in boats are set up differently than in cars because your charging requirements are so differnt. the boat often has to deal with a battery bank that has been run all day without recharge (low charge) a car starts the motor and then runs pretty much off the alternator output. only has to replace the lost charge of a quick start. car parts may work but its not the way to go for alternators!
Diesel Clinic
Check the Diesel Clinic for parts & advice: <http://www.dieselclinic.com/forums/> Regards, Gord
Check the Diesel Clinic for parts & advice: <http://www.dieselclinic.com/forums/> Regards, Gord
Thanks guys for all the help. I too checked with Yanmar and the price was a bit high for me. I checked with Google for a replacemant and also have been told that Nippon Denso has a replacement ,the #'s are S5730M and S5731M,I do not know what the differences are; anyway it is a mute point, as I took the starter apart and found two wires had come loose from the commutator which I re-soldered and it works fine.Once again thanks for all input. Carter
This post is one of the best reads yet,
I'm still laughing. I was reading and looking for someone to say that Carter should just open up his starter or take it to a DC shop but it turned out even better than that. And to Rick Webb, try pouring some diesel in a cup. Light a match. Done? Place the match over the fuel and lower it to the liquid until your fingers are wet. Finished? Now, what happened? See why everone says your WRONG? And you are.
I'm still laughing. I was reading and looking for someone to say that Carter should just open up his starter or take it to a DC shop but it turned out even better than that. And to Rick Webb, try pouring some diesel in a cup. Light a match. Done? Place the match over the fuel and lower it to the liquid until your fingers are wet. Finished? Now, what happened? See why everone says your WRONG? And you are.
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