Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A Boat

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Oct 6, 2011
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CM 32 USA



Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A Boat ......

......I am purchasing. Boat has sat in a locked storage facility five years.

I need to know if there are blisters on the hull, if the engine is still in the boat, and what possible condition it is in, and if all the rigging still looks to be in place in the boat.

Boat is a Clipper Marine, made in 1976. It is a CM32 Ketch with a second mizzen mast. These boats are rare as they have not been made in going on 40 years.

One thing I DO NOT want to be surprised by is anything stupid in the lines of additions. Looking for an original boat, with as few alterations of dumb stuff as possible. I do have detailed pics, but pics do not replace someone on the ground, looking at the boat.

If you live in Oxnard and could look at the boat for me, let me know.

Trailer gets new tires Monday morning, I pay the seller, and the boat heads to Nebraska where I will see her for the first time.

Thanks.

Here are pics of the boat.

http://www.yachtauthority.com/boatgallery-1975_32_Clipper_Marine-4073.php

Latest pics below

http://www.flickr.com/photos/57565383@N02/5427338966/in/photostream

Below is older pics of the last clean up in Northern Ca. ten years ago.





 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,196
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Since you're already made the decision to buy it....... what's the point?
 
Oct 6, 2011
678
CM 32 USA
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Most all calls for assistance requires two things from on lookers.

Help, or get out of the way.

If you can help, great, if you can't, that seems to leave one option.

I was planning on getting the boat myself, and paying for the boat after I looked at it. As I have now decided to ship the boat, looking at it personally, is not an option.

I can purchase the boat sight unseen, but feet on the ground, giving me a heads up to something I cannot see this far away, would be of help to me.

This is something I would gladly do for someone else if they were looking at a boat in my area.

Joe, you have 3000 posts here, does this really seem like an odd request? Really? Are you one of those Catalina owners that can't understand why people sail anything other than a Catalina? Were you once overtaken by a CM4 and have never forgotten it? lol
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
$14,000 for a boat sight unseen and no survey??? You are not sure if the engine is in the boat?
 
Nov 8, 2009
537
Hunter 386LE San Fancisco
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Suggest contacting a marine boat surveyor in Oxnard. They are listed on the internet.
 

Squidd

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Sep 26, 2011
890
AMF Alcort Paceship PY26 Washburn Wi. Apostle Islands
Suggest contacting a marine boat surveyor in Oxnard. They are listed on the internet.
If you really want someone to look at the boat, I would suggest you do that before you send seller money or even get the tires mounted...

At the very least before you send seller money (so you can make a price adjustment) if not...Save the money and take what you get when it arrives...

I bought my boat sight unseen, and it was pretty much what the pictures showed...I was happy...as long as you believe pictures are "current"..

Then you just have to deal with what they steal out of the boat before it gets to you...
 
May 24, 2004
7,173
CC 30 South Florida
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Photographs don't lie but you can never be sure when they were taken. I would urge you as others have to engage a reputable marine surveyor in the area. A good survey could pay for itself by giving you basis to re-negotiate a fair price based on actual conditions. It would provide a verified inventory of what you are actually getting and will set a basis for the insurance coverage required.
 
Feb 18, 2012
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oday 25 branched oaks
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Wow Gary It looks like it is all there. It looks like a nice winter project for a Nebraskan. I wish I would have known about your wanting eyes on the ground in Oxnard. Before I moved to Omaha I lived in So. Cal and I could have gotten a friend to at least verify some of the basics. I am wondering if you plan to use that ship on B.O.? I am still working on my 77 Oday 25 with compunding the hull and varnishing the teak and stuff on my driveway and I am sure the neighbors are not too happy about it..lol. I hope to meet you this summer at B.O. Good luck on your new project!
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Simple question: what happens if this boat arrives and you only then find out its a 'pig in a poke'?
 

Squidd

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Sep 26, 2011
890
AMF Alcort Paceship PY26 Washburn Wi. Apostle Islands
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Well then the "Cat would be outta the bag"...;)
 
Sep 26, 2008
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- - Noank CT.
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

One more vote for a surveyor to look over the boat. It will be an honest opinion and with 14k in play I would either go myself or get a surveyor, cost will be minor especial if he finds a major defect that you were not aware of....would also get someone to look over the trailer, calif to neb is a trip and you will have some big hills to deal with unlike the nebraska flats ! .....not trying to burst your bubble about being excited about new boat but think this thru before you pull the trigger...........just my thoughts
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Gary:

If you plan on insuring the boat you will need a survey. Why not bite the bullet and pay a professional to survey the vessel. You are looking at less than a airplane ticket to get her done (probably $500).

If she is going to be towed for 2,000 miles the hubs on the trailer should also be inspected and re-packed along with those new tires.

Just a thought.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

survey.
 
Oct 6, 2011
678
CM 32 USA
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Thanks for the wake up calls. I always trust Bill, as we are friends and we watch one another's back. lol

I emailed Ronald Sado in Oxnard. He is accredited marine surveyor.

Go from there.

This will slow the process, but it could save me some money.
 
Oct 6, 2011
678
CM 32 USA
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Someone suggested the boat is 14 grand? Hardly. The boat is listed free, if I buy the trailer for a reasonable amount.

However, no such thing as a free lunch. Tires, shipping, repairs, mending, cleaning, all adds up. I figure I will come out about right, as long as the hull has no soft spots, or the engine is not froze up.

Thanks again.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

Gary: I bought my boat site un-seen as well. I did have the PO go through and take pictures and email them to me. To date I have only had one surprise. (see my thread "what is this in my V berth". Other than that patch in the V berth (still has me baffled???) the boat looks like it was in a bit better shape (I mean only 26' to clean) than what you are looking at. I don't think the PO knew about the patch.
I did have the PO re pack the bearings and I sent new tires for the trailer. The guy I sent to get it helped (probably watched) do these tasks.
I still got a heck of a deal! (Still less than half of what I would pay in Canada after tax, fuel and paying my buddy. Not to mention all the extra boat stuff that came with it.) Now here is the good part: The Work! With all the cleaning/ mod removal/ power washing/ getting the storage and bilge areas ready for paint/ wire running, I've learnt more about my boat than I could have imagined. And by being part of an on line community of other sailboat owners.. whats it called again?.. I can make inprovments to my boat and get advice form others that have been there and done that.
Good on ya for looking for someone to check things out for you. I think you will be getting a heck of a deal and have a good time comparing the ketch to the sloop.
 
Oct 6, 2011
678
CM 32 USA
Re: Need Someone On The Ground In Oxnard CA To Look Over A B

I had a tire store go look at the trailer, and he pronounced the tires as needing replaced. In all seriousness, two things could be happening here. One, the tires are shot, and unlike the photographs I have of the tires where they look to still have all the tread on them, and look pretty good.

Or two, I am working with an owner, or a commission sales guy that likes to sell tires.

I can here you all now. Survey.

I hired one, he is going over to the boat on Monday. $200

http://www.marinesurvey.org/ca.html
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,196
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Most all calls for assistance requires two things from on lookers.

Help, or get out of the way.

If you can help, great, if you can't, that seems to leave one option.


Joe, you have 3000 posts here, does this really seem like an odd request? Really? Are you one of those Catalina owners that can't understand why people sail anything other than a Catalina? Were you once overtaken by a CM4 and have never forgotten it? lol
Yes, Gary... it is an odd, and presumptious, request. I can't, in any way, see what the Catalina owner comment has to do with anything.

As a long time sailor, of various makes and models of sailboats, I would never purchase a boat unseen without a minimal survey from a 3rd party source that has a fiduciary responsibility to you.... i.e. your own agent.

The fact that you even asked the question shows a lack of experience on your part, and that is the primary reason I made the original comment. No offence intended, sir.

On top of all that, you've indicated you're buying the boat anyway.... so all this hemming and hawing and asking others for help after the fact is unnecessary.

Think about it...... let's say I volunteered to take a few hours off to look at this vessel for you .... and I wrote back that I thought it will cost way more to restore than it's resale value. Let's say I couldn't give you any kind of info on the motor cause I couldn't find it or the lot owner didn't know how to start it. Let's say that I thought a 32 foot boat that was only 8 feet wide could have some design issues and the draft may be excessive for an 1800acres lake. Let's say that there must be a reason the vessel has been sitting a trailer, for sale, for well over 5 years. Let's also say that I told you there was delamination near the keel and hull joint, and that it appears the deck has numerous soft spots, and that it looks like the rigging is incomplete ..... but I don't really know because I am thoroughly unfamiliar with this boat... but it looks like a previous owner added something to the boat (show me a boat that old that hasn't been modified, in some way, by a previous owner) And this is important because you said: "One thing I DO NOT want to be surprised by is anything stupid in the lines of additions. Looking for an original boat, with as few alterations of dumb stuff as possible" WTF is "dumb stuff"? You mean, like a dodger or a bimini or an electric windlass, or a working head, or ........ huh?

So, Gary, since you've already made the commitment to purchase the boat....how on god's earth does this unqualified report from a perfect stranger benefit the process? And if you haven't made the commitment to purchase, or settled on price.... how on god's earth could an unqualified report from a perfect stranger carry any weight in a negotiation?

So basically, you're asking someone you don't know to give up their time for no other reason than to benefit your insecurity. Sorry, man, I don't mean to be too critical.... I'm just hoping you'll get the gist of my position on the "anonymous inspection" scenario.
 
Feb 5, 2012
183
Catalina 1990 Catalina 30 Mark II Harbor Island Yacht Club, Old Hickory Lake, Nashville, TN
GaryMayo said:
Thanks for the wake up calls. I always trust Bill, as we are friends and we watch one another's back. lol

I emailed Ronald Sado in Oxnard. He is accredited marine surveyor.

Go from there.

This will slow the process, but it could save me some money.
Even if I'd set my eyes on a boat, I'd still get a survey done; not seeing it, I'd consider it even more critical. As someone else said, the trailer, including tires and bearings, needs inspection as well. Third, I'd have it hauled by a company that insures it during transport, or I'd have my own insurance for the trip to Nebraska.

Just curious: where does one sail in Nebraska?

Bob
 
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