After sailing my Hunter 27 for 5 years, now hoping to move up. The Hunter is a 1984......Having serious thoughts about a Cape Dory 30.....The Cape Dory is a 1987.....love the older boats, they have character! It has a Westerbeke 22hp inboard..full keel..masterhead rig..vang..mid-boom sheeting with traveler, 2 sets of jib tracks...Sails include main with cover, working jib 150%genoa..cruising spinnaker..bimini top, dodger, h/c pressure water and a shower (love to have a shower) forced 10 cabin heater, and more of the standard eq. you would expect to find on a boat of this size.......I could use a little help on the price. I think it's over priced at $45,900....What do you think would be a good offer? Thanks in advance for you're replies......BTW, one more question....what is a vang? It's on the sheet? I don't have a clue what this is. Smooth sailing!!
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Surf the web
There are a number of sites that advertise used sailboats. When I was buying, I found that a couple of hours reviewing these sites quickly established the current prices ranges of the boats I was interested in. David Lady Lillie
There are a number of sites that advertise used sailboats. When I was buying, I found that a couple of hours reviewing these sites quickly established the current prices ranges of the boats I was interested in. David Lady Lillie
(Boom) Vang
Vangs come in block and tackle and rigid - see link below. The boom vang is what helps keep the boom relatively level when sailing off the wind. In doing so, it also can be used to help control the twist in the main sail. With out the vang, when sailing off the wind or down wind the boom would rise (at the free end opposite the goose neck) and cause the main to have a lot of twist. Rigid vangs: 1. Alternatively, there are some times when one wants some twist in the main and a rigid vang can be used to raise the boom. 2. Also, some boats have a rigid vang so they don't have to have a topping lift. This eliminates drag and there's one less line up the mast to worry about. When the sail is down the rigid vang will hold the boom horizontal. http://garhauermarine.com/search_process.cfm Boat Values: A couple sources come to mind: BucNet and NADA. http://www.bucnet.com/ (click on value) http://www.nadaguides.com/ (click on boat value) Take these "values" with a grain of salt. My personal opinion is that condition and properly/imporoperly commissioned equipment is very important. I was looking at a boat last weekend with a forced air heater that had 6-inch holes cut through every bulkhead and duct filling up all the available storage spaces. Very poor installation and hence this would be a deduct in my view while the dealer and some people would consider it an "add". An older boat will have a lot of stainless fasteners in aluminum: quadrant, helm, rigging, etc. which will be near impossible to remove without twisting and breaking something. A good boat will have used anti-sieze on the screws to prevent this problem. This is one reason for buying a new or newer boat. My editorial opinion. Hope the above helps.
Vangs come in block and tackle and rigid - see link below. The boom vang is what helps keep the boom relatively level when sailing off the wind. In doing so, it also can be used to help control the twist in the main sail. With out the vang, when sailing off the wind or down wind the boom would rise (at the free end opposite the goose neck) and cause the main to have a lot of twist. Rigid vangs: 1. Alternatively, there are some times when one wants some twist in the main and a rigid vang can be used to raise the boom. 2. Also, some boats have a rigid vang so they don't have to have a topping lift. This eliminates drag and there's one less line up the mast to worry about. When the sail is down the rigid vang will hold the boom horizontal. http://garhauermarine.com/search_process.cfm Boat Values: A couple sources come to mind: BucNet and NADA. http://www.bucnet.com/ (click on value) http://www.nadaguides.com/ (click on boat value) Take these "values" with a grain of salt. My personal opinion is that condition and properly/imporoperly commissioned equipment is very important. I was looking at a boat last weekend with a forced air heater that had 6-inch holes cut through every bulkhead and duct filling up all the available storage spaces. Very poor installation and hence this would be a deduct in my view while the dealer and some people would consider it an "add". An older boat will have a lot of stainless fasteners in aluminum: quadrant, helm, rigging, etc. which will be near impossible to remove without twisting and breaking something. A good boat will have used anti-sieze on the screws to prevent this problem. This is one reason for buying a new or newer boat. My editorial opinion. Hope the above helps.
Vang help
I have no info on pricing the boat, ..... but vang is something I know: Multiple choice: Vang: a)the name of the german shepard that protects your boat while docked at the marina. b)also known as BOOM VAAANNNGGG--the sounds you hear when you accidently gybe in a high wind. c)the pulley system between the boom and the base of the mast, used to hold the boom horizonal while running. Hope this helps--Happy boating!!!
I have no info on pricing the boat, ..... but vang is something I know: Multiple choice: Vang: a)the name of the german shepard that protects your boat while docked at the marina. b)also known as BOOM VAAANNNGGG--the sounds you hear when you accidently gybe in a high wind. c)the pulley system between the boom and the base of the mast, used to hold the boom horizonal while running. Hope this helps--Happy boating!!!
I think that's the Dent designed 30...
...IMHO the Alberg designs were better sailing boats. CDs hold their value, not always for good reasons - sometimes it's just name value alone. A quick check on the 'net shows an average price of 60K for this boat. As always, local market and a good survey will give you a better idea of price than asking for opinions. 45K seems light for this boat based on national averages - there might be a reason. Your surveyor will be able to help you figure out a reasonable offer. This might seem like basic advice, but I'd try sailing on as many different types of boats in your price range that you can. Network your sailing friends - they have other frends with boats. Spend a day sailing on everything you can, then go back and sail another day on the boats that you really liked. Most folks will be happy to have you aboard as a guest if they know you are thinking about buying a boat like theirs, and they are also a wealth of infomation about the boat itself. The more experience you have with different hull shapes, keel design and sail rigs the more informed choice you can make about the boat that's right for you. In the 40K - 50K range you should be able to get a shower. <g> If you aren't familiar with a vang then I suggest you pick up a book on sailing with good illustrations/descriptions of running/standing rigging and how it all works together. Good luck with the hunt. With experience you'll know the right next boat when you sail it. David s/v kupono
...IMHO the Alberg designs were better sailing boats. CDs hold their value, not always for good reasons - sometimes it's just name value alone. A quick check on the 'net shows an average price of 60K for this boat. As always, local market and a good survey will give you a better idea of price than asking for opinions. 45K seems light for this boat based on national averages - there might be a reason. Your surveyor will be able to help you figure out a reasonable offer. This might seem like basic advice, but I'd try sailing on as many different types of boats in your price range that you can. Network your sailing friends - they have other frends with boats. Spend a day sailing on everything you can, then go back and sail another day on the boats that you really liked. Most folks will be happy to have you aboard as a guest if they know you are thinking about buying a boat like theirs, and they are also a wealth of infomation about the boat itself. The more experience you have with different hull shapes, keel design and sail rigs the more informed choice you can make about the boat that's right for you. In the 40K - 50K range you should be able to get a shower. <g> If you aren't familiar with a vang then I suggest you pick up a book on sailing with good illustrations/descriptions of running/standing rigging and how it all works together. Good luck with the hunt. With experience you'll know the right next boat when you sail it. David s/v kupono
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