Hi All, Well bought my new boat two weeks ago (Hunter 27' 1980). When I bought her I saw that the sails showed signs of wear and accounted for that in the price I was willing to pay. Hoped to get at least one season out of the current sails but last week the genny display a triangular rip about 2/3's of the way up toward the trailing edge of the sail. The rips about 6" vertical by 4" horizontal. Hope to sew it up myself for the moment but I'm going to get at least a new genny asap. Since it a weekend cuiser, not a racer I plan to get Dacron sails. I have done some searching about the net for sails. Two questions: 1) Does anyone have any feelings between Doyle and North Sails? The seams on the North seem more hi tech - to redistribute stress I imagine. 2) Any strong feelings about other sailmakers? (both good and bad) Thanks in Advance - Mike
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Ed Schenck
Other sailmakers.
About four years ago I paid top dollar for a North mainsail. I wanted to match it with a North jib but decided to comparison shop. So now I am opening up the discussion about "offshore" shopping. I ended up with a Lee sail(Related Link). They were easy to deal with via e-mail and half the price of North. The sail is extremely well designed and built. I did this after finding that most of the companies I was researching were making their sails offshore. National was the other fairly priced company. But I think they are the local Rolly Tasker supplier. Some other sailmakers(suppliers): http://www.doylesails.com/ http://www.macksails.com/ http://www.nationalsail.com/ http://rollytasker.com/ http://www.uksailmakers.com/
About four years ago I paid top dollar for a North mainsail. I wanted to match it with a North jib but decided to comparison shop. So now I am opening up the discussion about "offshore" shopping. I ended up with a Lee sail(Related Link). They were easy to deal with via e-mail and half the price of North. The sail is extremely well designed and built. I did this after finding that most of the companies I was researching were making their sails offshore. National was the other fairly priced company. But I think they are the local Rolly Tasker supplier. Some other sailmakers(suppliers): http://www.doylesails.com/ http://www.macksails.com/ http://www.nationalsail.com/ http://rollytasker.com/ http://www.uksailmakers.com/
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richard shelby
the cheap route
If you want to take the cheap route I bought a used sail from Atlantic sail traders http://www.usedsails.com/ Also checking Ebay daily will possibly turn up one you can use. There are generally 4-5 up fo bid on any given day.
If you want to take the cheap route I bought a used sail from Atlantic sail traders http://www.usedsails.com/ Also checking Ebay daily will possibly turn up one you can use. There are generally 4-5 up fo bid on any given day.
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John Allison
Establish Communications
I am firmly convinced that buying from a local sailmaker is the way to go, if one is available. There are several reasons for this, all of which are not cost. A good sailmaker can suggest and match the right sail for the type of sailing you do, the boat and local conditions. He will assist you in a number of ways, one of which is sailing with you when you first use the sail. This is especially useful if you get into the higher tech sails and/or racing. Usually, he is able to make other items for you as well, including sail covers, biminis, etc. etc. Establish this contact early in your sailing career. It may cost a few dollars extra now but will pay dividends in years to come.
I am firmly convinced that buying from a local sailmaker is the way to go, if one is available. There are several reasons for this, all of which are not cost. A good sailmaker can suggest and match the right sail for the type of sailing you do, the boat and local conditions. He will assist you in a number of ways, one of which is sailing with you when you first use the sail. This is especially useful if you get into the higher tech sails and/or racing. Usually, he is able to make other items for you as well, including sail covers, biminis, etc. etc. Establish this contact early in your sailing career. It may cost a few dollars extra now but will pay dividends in years to come.
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Tim
Check this site
Have you checked this sites chandlery? Competitive, Name Brand, and built in the states.
Have you checked this sites chandlery? Competitive, Name Brand, and built in the states.
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David Foster
Local Sailmaker
In addition to John's comments, the local sailmaker will maintain your sails, and answer questions/solve problems through their life. Mine also matched the prices I found from others. I used the Doyle loft in Cleveland, and we are very happy with the sail design and performance. David Lady Lillie
In addition to John's comments, the local sailmaker will maintain your sails, and answer questions/solve problems through their life. Mine also matched the prices I found from others. I used the Doyle loft in Cleveland, and we are very happy with the sail design and performance. David Lady Lillie
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Mike Andersen
Have checked chandlery
Prices on site are close to ones of local sailmakers. I do like the idea of having someone local to talk to and seek advice from. I'm not brave enough for going offshore (Lee) but I appreicate the idea. Thus far the local North Sails has the lead. Within a few dollars of Doyle and they had the same measurements as are listed on this site for the H27 1980, Doyle didn't. Any thoughts why Doyle would have different dimensions?
Prices on site are close to ones of local sailmakers. I do like the idea of having someone local to talk to and seek advice from. I'm not brave enough for going offshore (Lee) but I appreicate the idea. Thus far the local North Sails has the lead. Within a few dollars of Doyle and they had the same measurements as are listed on this site for the H27 1980, Doyle didn't. Any thoughts why Doyle would have different dimensions?
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Tim
More than one
There are several different rig versions and versions of the Hunter 27. Double check your rig dimensions from your boat against any quotes you get. Boat model and year will help determine correct rig. Never let a sailmaker build just off the published specs. Always measure your boat yourself to insure your sailmaker has the correct dimensions or have him measure your boat if it's in a convenient location.
There are several different rig versions and versions of the Hunter 27. Double check your rig dimensions from your boat against any quotes you get. Boat model and year will help determine correct rig. Never let a sailmaker build just off the published specs. Always measure your boat yourself to insure your sailmaker has the correct dimensions or have him measure your boat if it's in a convenient location.
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Mike Andersen
It's a 1980 full rig
Where can I use the boat number & year to find the proper sail dimensions? I will of course take the sail down and measure it.
Where can I use the boat number & year to find the proper sail dimensions? I will of course take the sail down and measure it.
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Ed Schenck
Give it to the sailmaker?
WHen I purchased my sail from Lee Sails I sent my old one. Not only was I concerned about dimensions but I wanted to be sure they matched the luff tape for the furler. They packaged the two together for the return trip with no additional shipping charges. Wish you could see the quality of this sail. They also sent me the dacron samples and the material is from the same company that supplies the other sailmakers.
WHen I purchased my sail from Lee Sails I sent my old one. Not only was I concerned about dimensions but I wanted to be sure they matched the luff tape for the furler. They packaged the two together for the return trip with no additional shipping charges. Wish you could see the quality of this sail. They also sent me the dacron samples and the material is from the same company that supplies the other sailmakers.
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Tim Stodola at Doyle Sails
Your H27 Rig
For your era of H27, there were two rigs, a standard and a tall rig. The Std Rig: I=34.5, J=11.5 The Tall Rig: I=37.5, J=11.25 The luff length of RF Genoas can vary greatly from one boat to another, depending on the make and model of the furler. If you install a different furler than the original, your luff dimension may also be different than the original sail. Sails will also stretch and sometimes they shrink. If you are not the original owner, you also may not be aware of any modification done by a previous owner. It is for these reasons, that sailmakers ask you to, not only verify your rig dimensions, but to measure the boat and not an old sail. This will insure a proper fit of your new sail.
For your era of H27, there were two rigs, a standard and a tall rig. The Std Rig: I=34.5, J=11.5 The Tall Rig: I=37.5, J=11.25 The luff length of RF Genoas can vary greatly from one boat to another, depending on the make and model of the furler. If you install a different furler than the original, your luff dimension may also be different than the original sail. Sails will also stretch and sometimes they shrink. If you are not the original owner, you also may not be aware of any modification done by a previous owner. It is for these reasons, that sailmakers ask you to, not only verify your rig dimensions, but to measure the boat and not an old sail. This will insure a proper fit of your new sail.
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Mike Andersen
Just dropped off sail
Thanks all for your help and guidance. I just dropped off my genny at a local sailloft. Jim the owner said the sail would be ready Thursday. He also said the sail looked as if it were catching on something sharp in the rigging. So up in the boson's chair for me. Also I get a little more time to check out for a new sail. Must admit that I'm tempted to put off the sail, sell it next spring and buy an H34, H35.5 or H37 cutter. After all I bought this boat as a learner for the Great South Bay. Also in the back of my head is the Renault engine waint for a major job. A Yanmar replacement is between 4,500 to 6,000 just for the engine and another 5-600 to put it in. At dead low my H27 shoal just touched bottom by my slip (at the very end of a creek) so a little going back and forth with another foot of keel at mid tide would probably do the job.
Thanks all for your help and guidance. I just dropped off my genny at a local sailloft. Jim the owner said the sail would be ready Thursday. He also said the sail looked as if it were catching on something sharp in the rigging. So up in the boson's chair for me. Also I get a little more time to check out for a new sail. Must admit that I'm tempted to put off the sail, sell it next spring and buy an H34, H35.5 or H37 cutter. After all I bought this boat as a learner for the Great South Bay. Also in the back of my head is the Renault engine waint for a major job. A Yanmar replacement is between 4,500 to 6,000 just for the engine and another 5-600 to put it in. At dead low my H27 shoal just touched bottom by my slip (at the very end of a creek) so a little going back and forth with another foot of keel at mid tide would probably do the job.
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Steve Humenick
Sailmaker
Very happy with the new Doyle mainsail for my 37 cutter, much better price than North. A local sailmaker, as Doyle did for me, should measure your boat for a new sail not just build it some published specs. Get to know your local sailmaker, might come in handy when you need that repair ASAP.
Very happy with the new Doyle mainsail for my 37 cutter, much better price than North. A local sailmaker, as Doyle did for me, should measure your boat for a new sail not just build it some published specs. Get to know your local sailmaker, might come in handy when you need that repair ASAP.
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