Need help finding a trailer sailor to fit my needs

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Feb 2, 2009
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2 Venture 17 Hickory
Thanks for the info all! I think I will keep this boat in mind but keep searching. I'll be sure to check out the catalina 22, O'day 19, 22 and macgregor 22 as well. A 22 would be a great size if I can find one for a reasonable cost as I am sure I will get two footisitis with a 19 or 20fter especially since the cockpit on the boat I looked at wasn't very large. Thanks to everyone who contributed!
I have been looking for a replacement for my Venture 17 for about a year now. Your goals are very similar to mine. I need a boat with a little more cockpit room than mine that is still trailorable and able to single hand sail and set up.
I have narrowed my search to either a Catalina 22, because there are lots of them available, and they're relatively cheap, or a Rhodes , but they are more complicated to set up and have more standing rigging ( worth it if you plan to do some extreme sailing), or , my dream boat, a Compac 23. They are a little less convenient to set up and not as fast as the others, and a good bit more expensive, but they are so pretty and very well built.
...My 2 pennies worth...
 
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Tim Jedda 22

sail, sail, sail

I need some help finding which makes/models of trailer sailors will work for me in the 20-23ft range. I live in Falmouth on Cape Cod and plan on using it for cruising in nantucket sound and buzzards bay mostly, with some overnight trips. My vehicle has a 5000lb towing capacity, though i want something substantically lighter and something that is not difficult to setup with one person. I prefer a swing keel so that I could use shallower ramps and beach it. I would like it to sleep atleast 2 comfortably and have a head (portable is ok).

I was looking at an 83 Hunter 20 sloop, but want to hear about some other makes/models to compare it to.

Thanks,
Mitch
Everybody has an opinion, generally based on what they sail - because everybody has the best boat - just ask them!!

Hang out at local clubs, crew in races on various yachts. That way you will go out in different conditions and see how the boats handle high winds, larger waves, etc. Some of the boats mentioned sail like dogs and others you wouldn't want to be stuck out in a blow in. After you've sailed a few, you'll be in a position to realize what is important for you. Is it a bullet proof slow yacht, a faster yacht that might not like the heavy stuff, or more than likely something in the middle!!

Also, i don't think you mentioned your sailing history, this should impact on the advice EVERYBODY is giving you!!

You're the one sailing it, you have to be comfortable in it. If you're not you won't use it and that'll be a shame because it's great fun.

Cheers Tim
 
Jun 5, 2004
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- - Eugene, OR
first, I second Tim's comments. Take time to look for the best boat of you. REMEMBER: each boat design is comprised a many compromises between different characteristics. You need to identify what characteristics you want, would like, don't want or don't care about.
I also note that you are alluding to 2-footitis even as you look for a 20' boat. Consider looking at a 23' or 24' boat. There a lot of them from well regarded builders, including Hunter, Catalina, Schock/Santana, Benatau, etc. Amoung the trailerable boats I have sailed on are the Hunter 22, San Juan 21, 23 and 24, Santana 2023, Capri 22 and the Catalina 22 as well as my own Hunter 23. They all have their pluses and minuses. I once literally sailed circles around a C22 (yes, it was underweigh). Yet C22's are good solid boats, comfortable and well made for a small family, with their own set of happy owners. Take time to look, think and try. You too can be happy.
Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
 
Feb 2, 2009
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Jedda 22 Yaringa Marina, Melbourne, Australia
Crickey, how cheap are yachts in the US. You'd pay $15k for that in Oz!! Given that pricing, when I upgrade I may look at importing one.

You guys are seriously lucky!!
 
Nov 6, 2007
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hunter 18.5 sandhills of west texas
well, we're lucky with our boats alright, but we can't just hang some shrimp out the kitchen window on a stick and have em barbecued like ya'll can down under these days.

jack b :) in midland, tx usa
 
Apr 3, 2008
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Nonsuch Ultra 30 Gulfport, FL
Mitch,
Checkout the Rhodes 22 @ Rhodes22.com. They have re-sales and some are reasonably priced.

>>ron<<
S/V Serenity
 
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benkimball51@hotmail.com

Ben

Mitch,

I purchased an '83 O'Day 19 two years ago. It is a downsized version of the O'Day 22. (The O'day 192 and 222 are model upgrades with more space under the cockpit for the berths.) I paid $1600 on eBay from one of the charity auction sellers. I was confident that at the price (and the condition viewed in the photos) that I would be able to handle anything that might be wrong with it. My wife and I have sailed it the past two seasons Boston Harbor, Portsmouth Harbor, and Lake Champlain with very minor "adjustments".

It started life on the Hudson River then was given to new owners as a wedding present by their uncle. They have a cottage just north of you in Pocasset and were tired of waiting for a mooring. In spite of the fact that they could see the town launch ramp from their front door and the O'Day was on a trailer with rollers, they never put it in the water. So they donated it to a charity organization that auctioned it on eBay.

So COST can be VERY reasonable. Trailering means I can go anywhere.

Once we were caught at low tide in Little Harbor (Portsmouth NH) using the Odiorne State Park launch ramp. We motored up the remaining little channel (using an electric trolling motor) to the lauch ramp. The concrete portion of the ramp ended well before the low water mark. We could have waited a few hours for the tide to come back in, but instead backed my Jeep to the end of the concrete, unhooked the trailer pushing it into the water but tethered to a strap. Since the trailer had rollers, we could winch the boat onto the trailer with little effort. The Jeep in low range pulled the boat and trailer up the mud to the concrete area. The only thing I wished I had then was a wheel under the trailer tongue.

PROS:
This model (O'Day 19) has a swing centerboard and a short weighted keel. Draft is 12 inches. I could launch anywhere, beach anywhere. It weighs 1400 lbs and can be towed by most vehicles with a type II rated hitch. My Jeep looses only 2 miles/gal on the highway when towing.

The cockpit is large enough for four adults for a day cruise. We did this often. Sleeping arrangements are "camping for two". Since we day-sail, this was never a problem. The cabin was for storage. But for watching the fireworks from the water in Burlington VT, we comfortably had six adults. But most of the time, I enjoyed either being by myself or with my wife. One can be social or seek solitude depending on the situation.

The trailer can be a simple one readily available for motor boats. Keeps the cost down. Go with rollers if possible.

The boat can easily be propelled by a small outboard or even simpler by an electric trolling motor. Choose by your needs for wind and current. I alternate depending on the location.

I can single-handedly raise and rig the mast with no special assistance. I use the jib halyard and walk the mast up. I'm 57 and in "average" shape for my age.

CONS:
Size - overnighting would be like sleeping in a tent. I can do it, but there is the "Admiral" who prefers a real bed - it's actually mostly for back support reasons.

Fair Weather Sailing - my wife is not yet comfortable with the rolling motion when the winds are above 15 knots. The keel weight of the O'Day 19 is not considered self-righting. So it is best as a fair-weather boat when the crew is inexperienced.

FOOT-ITIS:
The 19 foot size is very good and convenient for someone who wants to primarily day-sail and be able to go anywhere at the spur of the moment with up to 4 people. Overnighting is like camping.

In August, my friend (he and his wife were our regular sailing companions) purchased a '73 Ensenada 20. Amazing how much of a difference one foot in length and different layout will make. They ARE very much a couple who would overnight in the boat and are our age. The interior of the boat needed significant repair but well within my friend's skills. He also modified the insides to meet his needs.

This October I purchased a Catalina Capri 22 (wing keel) from eBay to address the needs for a little more space (for socializing) and stability with a fixed keel. The original owner had died. His friend received the boat but was not an active sailor. It was donated t a charity and auctioned on eBay. I got it for $1400. It had no trailer but I modified the one for my O'Day to get it home. Condition - ready to go back into the water.

OBSERVATIONS:
Pulling it back from New Haven CT to southern NH went very smoothly. It weighs 2200 lbs. The keel boat (2' 8" draft) sits up higher but most of the weight is in the keel. I will be reworking the trailer to lower the boat and reattach the rollers.

The experience we had at Odiorne State Park launch ramp convinced me that I could launch and retrieve a keel boat from my favorite launch ramps (but not from Odiorne's ramp). Yesterday I checked out the ramp at Dover Point on the Piscataqua River near Great Bay during low tide. Yes, I want those rollers back on!

SUMMARY:
Within your price range, you can purchase a reasonable sailboat, trailer, and motor. The more work you are comfortable doing, the better the deal you can get. My two boats needed basically to be cleaned because they have sat unused for a few seasons. But other than replacing a fitting or two, both were ready to go into the water the day I picked them up.

Boat yards often have boats that the owners have "abandoned" and stopped paying the yard fees. Often, you can get a very good deal assuming the yard owner has gained possession of the tittle.

EBay has worked out very well for me. My friend found his on Craig's List. He is happy.

If you are unsure about your "repair" abilities, then by all means look for a boat using a registered surveyor.

AND YES, the Admiral has stated that the O'Day 19 be sold this Spring (a pre-announcement in case anyone might be interested). I still have my Paceship P-17 for those "thin water" lakes...

John
I am in the market for an O'Day 19 (192) benkimball51@hotmail.com Ben
 
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seanote

Aquarius 23

i bought a 1974 Aquarius 23 at auction for $125. Much to my surprise ...yahoo groups has a huge owners group. I am adding a pilot house and a tabernacle (bridge). SHe is in rough shape, but the sails are good. These boats often sell for $2500 ready to sail. they are very roomy and have a centerboard keel. I rented one in Apollo Beach Florida. We spent a week on "Charity" and had a ball. Charity is listed for $2200. Brad the owner will rent her for $500-$600 per week. He may apply to the purchase. Great deal,
Timm 617-548-0449
 
May 7, 2006
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Catalina 28 Mark 1 New Bern
Looking for a trailer sailor

Mitch, I dont know if your interest but their is a wander 25 on a trailer in sandwich,ma. on Quaker meetinghouse Rd. The person that has it as part of a divorce settlement and wants to get rid of it. The trailer is basicly new. The boat is dirty and it does need new cushions, I looked at it at one point. But i know she wants to get rid of it badly because no one sails in the family now. Ihave no vested interest in the boat but if you want Ican give you directions. Just email me at pbudzy7385@aol.com
 
Mar 2, 2009
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Columbia Yachts C22 Long Beach
Don't Rush Purchase

Shoot for a Catalina 22 or a Macgregor/Venture anything. Don't fear a 25. The extra 3ft is worth it. Just take your time! Shopping for a boat is alot of fun. I poured over the online classifieds religiously 3 times a day, from San Diego to Santa Barbara, for 4 months straight (iPhone). Brand and make is important, but the boat itself is what you are looking for. Decent folks, decent boat, excellent price. Take your time. Use the Force and all that Karma stuff...

-Joel
 
Oct 22, 2008
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- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
Compac, Precision, Hunter, Catalina, all make boats that would suit your needs. Quite a few of the catboats, many of which are made right here in Massachusetts would also work quite well.

Did you have a specific budget in mind??
 
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