Need help choosing a used weekender model

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Aug 31, 2012
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Herreshoff 12 1/2 Cushing
Hello all,

Greetings fellow sailors! I'm new to the forum as of today and would welcome some experienced perspectives.

Having sailed since childhood I am now looking to buy my first boat. I was raised sailing Sunfishes, Hobie Cats, Lasers, Flying Dutchmans and more recently for the last 8 years have shared a vintage Herreshoff 12 1//2 with my father, which, due to his declining health and escalating costs of maintenance we decided to sell.

I am now in the market for a fiberglass hulled, fixed keel boat to serve primarily as a family day sailer, but which can serve for occasional 'roughing it' overnight trips. I would prefer a boat that requires relatively little maintenance, by which I particularly mean limitted to no on board electrical, mechanical or hydraulic systems. I willl like to be able to launch and haul out the boat myself using a trailer, and will store it on my property. The boat will be harbored and sailed in mid-coast Maine waters. I would prefer a relatively fast and dynamic boat that walks the line between beeing comfortable for a up to five people (perhaps more on rare occasions) while providing some excitement to sail. It also should be a boat that can be sailed single handed as well as with a crew, and ideally would be a good boat to teach my two early teen kids the basics- as they are newly and recently on record as 'loving sailing' and want to learn.

The boats I am considering so far include the Sea Sprite 23, the Cape Dory Typhoon 19, the J-22, and possibly a Pearson 22 or an O'Day 23. As my budget is limitted I will be purchasing used, so the boats in my range almost all have some age to them, so I am particularly wary of models that have a history of structural issues, wet decks, etc. Boats with a reputation for being well built and that last well sound good to me.

I would welcome any and all advice about what models to consider and what to look for in making an initial assessment. I also would value experienced perspectives on what other factors to consider in choosing an appropriate boat. I realize my questions are quite broad, and I need to do some homework, but never-the-less this input would be most welcome.

Thanks.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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CS 30 Toronto
Try a Macgregor 26S (older version circa 1990ish). Water ballasted, swing keel, light weight to trailer. Fibre glass liner inside thus no maintenance. Sleeps 4 to 5 if you are close. Galley and head. Headroom is a little low but the top pops up.

I had one for years. Family of 4. Loved it.
 
Sep 5, 2007
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MacGregor 26X Rochester
Try a Macgregor 26S (older version circa 1990ish). Water ballasted, swing keel, light weight to trailer. Fibre glass liner inside thus no maintenance. Sleeps 4 to 5 if you are close. Galley and head. Headroom is a little low but the top pops up.

I had one for years. Family of 4. Loved it.
And has a reputation for being relatively fast. Jillions were made, so they should be relatively easy to find, with lots of user support on various forums.
 
Oct 10, 2009
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Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
Lots of info on the Odayowners side of the forum about the 23. Early model is a pop top, my comments are for the later model the mk-II, as it's sometimes called.

It's not a fixed keel, but rather a shoal keel/centerboard. I cannot speak to it's seaworthiness other than to say that it's a very good boat for protected waters- we sail ours on an inland lake.


The rig is very simple and there is no traveler, which some have tried to add, but with only limited success. Boom vang may come as an option and should be added if one has not been added.

It's a roomy 23 footer, with full bulkheads dividing the v-berth/head from the rest of the main cabin. Many of them have experienced issues with the chainplates, which is not uncommon on any boat that has a similar configuration. Many owners have replaced the bulkheads, which is not a difficult job at all. Generally, as all old boats go, leaks and soft decks are something to look out for.

All in all, it's a nice little pocket cruiser. Not a racer, by any means, but I suspect sailors who are better than I can make it perform at hull speed; I've only gotten about 5.5 knots out of mine. Sails as you would expect a shallow drafted, somewhat beamy boat would. It's often mentioned that the boat sails like a larger boat or that it seems large for a 23 footer. It works very well for my wife and our two kids as a daysailer. For overnighting, it's better for two people.
 

Eric M

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Sep 30, 2008
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Island Packet 35 Jacksonville
There are lots and lots of threads on this forum that will help you gather a lot of useful infomation on your questions on things to look for as you start to evaluate specific boats. Just yesterday this thread ran on how to decide between two different boats, while neither is on your short list, the methods to evaluate are the same...

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=955580&highlight=catalina 30

Good Luck!
 
Feb 16, 2011
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Macgregor 26X Michigan City, IN
Might also consider the Mac 25 (boat of the year when it came out) and the Mac 26D (daggerboard).

Great daysailing family boats. :D

And has a reputation for being relatively fast. Jillions were made, so they should be relatively easy to find, with lots of user support on various forums.
 

ENeedz

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Apr 1, 2009
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Oday 28 Salem, MA
It just so happens that I have a very nice Hunter 23', 1986, with a fixed wing keel, a 5 hp Tohstsu kicker on a galvanized trailer. I sailed it for the last 3 yearof out of Salem, MA. it will sail with up to 5 but up to 3 is pretty ideal. Portolet, alcohol stove, marine stereo, VHF, auto bilge pump, manual fresh water. I used a borrowed solar panel to keep a trickle charge going. Let me know if your interested. 781-307-7066.
 
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Aug 28, 2012
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Wavelength 24 Columbia, SC
Might also consider the Mac 25 (boat of the year when it came out) and the Mac 26D (daggerboard).

Great daysailing family boats. :D
I second the recommendation of a Mac 26D (under $10K for one ready to sail including trailer) but with the reservation that mine was very tender. Winds above about 12 mph make it challenging to sail because it is so light for its size.

For a 20 to 25 footer to be fast and exciting it can't have much of a cabin. So, in my opinion your search for "...a relatively fast and dynamic boat that walks the line between beeing comfortable for a up to five people (perhaps more on rare occasions) while providing some excitement to sail." is unrealistic to expect in a family boat that is trailerable. Pick fast and exciting OR family size cabin.

Maybe an s2-7.9 would work for you. PHRF about 168 so it is fast. Accommodations inside are spartan. And you will need a full-size pickup truck to trailer this 26 footer.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1982-S2-7.9-101832973#video
 
Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
you should look at a Catalina 22. Five on any boat this size is not realistic but possible. I spent weeks on a 25 with a family of four for ten years. A 25 is a really large boat to trailer and to rig. The 22 is much more manageable.
 
Jul 13, 2010
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Precision 23 Perry Hall,Baltimore County
I cast my vote for Precision 21 or 23. Swing keels, ballasted, still in production good reputation. No fancy galleys or electronics,nicely sized. David
 
Sep 16, 2011
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Venture 17 Hollywood,FL
I like the Rhodes 22. Still making them today and for the last 30 or so years. Looks like a solid boat.
 
May 24, 2004
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CC 30 South Florida
I just want to make an observation; the concept of a trailerable boat changes with boats size. A Sunfish can be ready to go anywhere at any time. A 21-23' boat requires more work and planning and a 24-26' usually even more plus a stronger tow vehicle. As a teenager I would trailer anywhere but now a few decades later I don't trailer and rig a boat unless I'm spending at least three days on it in some nice sailing venue. We trailer a 1985 Starwind 223 an can tell you that at 22' is not a comfortable boat for 5 people so you would be looking in the 24 to 26' range. The water ballasted boats are easier to trailer, rig, launch and retreive but if you desire a fixed keel boat in that size the burden is significant. The end result is that the required work soon becomes old and the boat is used less and less. Don't understand your requirement about a boat with no electrical system. If you intend to overnight you will likely need navigation and an anchor lights. This would require a battery whcih could power cabin lights and small fans. I would also suggest a porta potty. Other than boats used exclusively for racing the great majority will have some basic electrical and plumbing systems. Considering them will widen your choices. I 2nd the endorsement of the Precision 23, it is a lot of boat.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
With your sailing experiece I would look for more a performance oriented boat than the Mac.... don't get pissed mac owners.. he laid out his criteria pretty plainly.... and he definitely said FIXED keel.

I'll cast my vote for a Catalina Capri 22 fixed keel... huge cockpit will easily accommodate 6 people. It is in the sport boat genre, but the smaller cabin will be comfortable for 2 adults and a child or two. http://www.capri22.net/ Large support network includes the Catalina factory resources.

Another really cool boat is the post '84 Cal 24.....if you can find one for sale, take a serious look at it... A very beautiful, stable well built boat. The post 1984 Cal 24 is at bottom of page on this link: http://pages.sssnet.com/go2erie/cal24.htm
 
Oct 2, 2008
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Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
3Sheets,
We had our Catalina 30 in Casco Bay and cruised the coast as well as many day sails. We selling it if you're interested.
All U Get
 
Feb 16, 2011
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Macgregor 26X Michigan City, IN
No offense taken. A fixed keel trailerable boat for 3-5 people really narrows the list of possibilities.

Plus, quite a few alleged "experts" don't seem to know that the pre-1996 Mac 26x/M boats are true sailboats, not hybrids - which is why the Mac 25 was voted "Sailboat of the year" when it came out in the 70's. And for those days when everyone wants to get out of the rain, a 22 foot Capri isn't going to cut it. ;)

With your sailing experiece I would look for more a performance oriented boat than the Mac.... don't get pissed mac owners.. he laid out his criteria pretty plainly.... and he definitely said FIXED keel.

I'll cast my vote for a Catalina Capri 22 fixed keel... huge cockpit will easily accommodate 6 people. It is in the sport boat genre, but the smaller cabin will be comfortable for 2 adults and a child or two. http://www.capri22.net/ Large support network includes the Catalina factory resources.

Another really cool boat is the post '84 Cal 24.....if you can find one for sale, take a serious look at it... A very beautiful, stable well built boat. The post 1984 Cal 24 is at bottom of page on this link: http://pages.sssnet.com/go2erie/cal24.htm
 
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