need bigger anchor

shemandr · Sep 4, 2014

I had a H356 and wasn't happy with the Delta. I bought the Manson Supreme and was able to sleep. I don't remember dragging with it. I was concerned about the fit on the bow but it turned out to be fine. I could even use the inner roller.
Yes, some Chandleries will let you return an anchor. I returned one that had been on the bottom a couple of times and that I decided I didn't like. Your results may vary.

py26129 · Sep 4, 2014

You may be able to fit a stainless plate in the area where the anchor may touch, in order to protect the bow.

Matt

JK_Boston_Catalina310 · Sep 4, 2014

You really can't go wrong with any of the new generation anchors: spades, Rocna, Manson Supreme, Mantus, etc. I went with the Manson Supreme due to cost and at the time the Rocnas were having their quality issues. If I were in your shoes I would try all of them and see if one fits my bow better.

How do you like the boat? I have never been a big Hunter fan but there is something about the new Marlow-Hunters that I like.

Good luck and fair winds,

Jesse

SEMPERAVANTI41 · Sep 4, 2014

I replaced the 35LB Delta on my Hunter 41 with a Mantus 45LB. Have had no issues with it hitting the boat. Works great, one of the best investments I ever made.

seadaddler · Sep 4, 2014

Anchor

I went with a 35 Delta and 100' chain and been in some really wind conditions
at anchor over night,we do more anchoring than in a Marina and the trick is
the chain and snubber that really keeps the anchor down really good.
Down here in Florida I see more delta type anchors that others.
Go with lots of chain and let the snubber keep the chain down low into the water and also keeps from sailing at anchor.
I have 2007 H-36 and only use my 1 -35 lb Anchor with about 90' of chain and most times put out 60' of chain and and snubber hooked on to chain from dual sides up to bow to relieve tension off my windlass and this way holds chain down low into water,all that heavy chain lays low in the water and keeps anchor from dragging.

Nick

Chief RA · Sep 4, 2014

Like Seadaddler, I think lots of chain is critical to properly set virtually any kind of anchor. Right here in the marina there is a commercial fishing boat with the rode tied directly to his anchor. I could hardly believe it! Chief

Bad Obsession · Sep 4, 2014

The rule of thumb is 1 foot of chain for 1 foot of boat for a minimum. More is better though.

I would go to a new age anchor that is slightly bigger than they suggest. I carried a 33 pound anchor on my Catalina 30. I have a 22 pound anchor on my Compac 23.

If you want to sleep comfortably no matter what, get an anchor that you can trust and don't skimp on it. My Catalina 30 with the 33 pound lewmar and 30 feet of chain held fast during a 60 knot storm.

The manufacturer suggestions are for moderate weather. We all know that when a storm hits it is not moderate weather. Go big!

JK_Boston_Catalina310 · Sep 4, 2014

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=131578

Maine Sail's musing about chain being what holds the boat.

IMO, the anchor is far more important than how much chain you have. You couldn't pay me enough to rely on a delta or CQR.

As Stu always says, your boat your choice.

Jesse

shemandr · Sep 4, 2014

JK_Boston_Catalina310 said:
You couldn't pay me enough to rely on a delta or CQR.Jesse

Anyone want to buy a Delta?
At some point chain weight has to figure into this. According to Defender 3/8" Acco Galvinized chain is 1 1/4 lb. per foot (Shipping weight which may not be actually the weight -but it's not less). Then 60 ft = 75 lbs. Not an onerous weight for a decent sized cruising boat . But it's twice the weight of the anchor. No wonder it works! Or 1/4" chain @ .75 lbs. per foot. That's 45 lbs. which is the weight of an anchor for a 35' boat. 100' or more rodes, of course, are more. If you want to anchor in 25' and want 5:1 rode length, you would need 125' of chain. And actually it's more if you include the height of the bow above the water and tide. Very easily 175'. That's 218 lbs of 3/8 and 131 lbs of 1/4." That is starting to get to be a bit of weight in the end of the boat. 25' deep is not particularly deep in anchorages in New England much less the world.
So, at what point is it preferable to buy a bigger anchor and a lighter rode? You have to do the math, which I am not very good at, and decide how strong the rode needs to be. If you look at the tables it isn't hard to justify 3/8", which has a strength of around 5,000lbs. I don't want to get into yield strengths etc. (The Engineers can do that far better than me).
Ultimatey, my point is that sailor's baulk at buying a bigger anchor, counting on the chain to increase the holding and then load up the boat with as expensive and heavy chain.

Stu Jackson · Sep 4, 2014

In addition to Jesse's ost: i.e., What's your ENTIRE boat worth to you?

Why NEW GEN Anchors are Better:

http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,2705.msg19651.html#msg19651

jibes138 · Sep 4, 2014

Stu Jackson said:
In addition to Jesse's ost: i.e., What's your ENTIRE boat worth to you? Why NEW GEN Anchors are Better: http://c34.org/bbs/index.php/topic,2705.msg19651.html#msg19651

. Have multiple anchors. A normal anchor for a nice 10 knot breeze and maybe a smaller "lunch hook" then get a big anchor for those little storms with 90 mph winds for eight hours. Maybe something around 100 pounds . As for chain weight holding a boat how much do you weigh? Go scuba diving and see if you can hold your boat in 20 knots of wind. Chain weight is used to lower the angle of pull on the anchor shank and to provide a catenary effect. Once you get up around 100 mph none of that matters the chain will be perfectly straight pulling like heck. I know one guy with a 700 pound storm anchor. Works great.

Bad Obsession · Sep 4, 2014

As some others have stated, the weight of the chain does not hold the boat. The chain does have its place and it helps with angles and abrasion.

Check out these videos by Mainesail and maybe that will help you see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsDRQHbpv-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXOurOiRkU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGAckf69pE

This is another video of a Rocna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2meFjHHYhhc

Right now I am on a tighter budget that I would like (due to a very expensive trailer repair and buying a new house). For what I could afford I ended up buying a 22 pound Lewmar Claw anchor for my Compac 23. I have 25 feet of chain (will eventually replace with heavier 30' of chain). When my budget finally recovers I want to get a Rocna or a Mason Supreme. I know that in my normal anchor settings the claw will hold (soft Chesapeake Bay Mud). I set it very hard and sometimes really have to work to get it up (experience on a Catalina 30 with a 33lb Lewmar Claw).

I don't like the adage of your boat, your rules. Reason being is it is your boat but if your boat drags into my boat then it is both of our problem. Get a system you can trust and hope that your neighbor in the anchorage does the same.

Benny17441 · Sep 5, 2014

Using excessive chain may actually hinder an anchor from resetting. Follow proper anchoring techniques and just lay down a reasonable amount for the depth and conditions. Chain does not offer insurance nor shortcuts. Monitor your anchor and make adjustments with changes in condition.