Need a length of the halyard for Catalina 30 tall rig.

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Oct 17, 2005
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Catalina 30 Edmonton
I received a gift certificate from Santa to be used at a local boat store. They have a good selection of various ropes in stock. I need to buy a new main halyard. Can someone out there tell me what the length the main halyard should be. I was thinking twice the heighht of the mast then I have to add extra to lead back to the cockpit. Dancin Bear is a Catalina mkII with tall mast. The halyard is controlled from the cockpit. Winch is on cabin top stbd side of companionway. My boat is on the trailer tarped over for winter so it's not something I want to go measure today with snow and cold. Thanks for your help. May we all have a safe and successful sailing season in 2008. Regards to all. Ken
 
Oct 17, 2005
119
Catalina 30 Edmonton
I received a gift certificate from Santa to be used at a local boat store. They have a good selection of various ropes in stock. I need to buy a new main halyard. Can someone out there tell me what the length the main halyard should be. I was thinking twice the heighht of the mast then I have to add extra to lead back to the cockpit. Dancin Bear is a Catalina mkII with tall mast. The halyard is controlled from the cockpit. Winch is on cabin top stbd side of companionway. My boat is on the trailer tarped over for winter so it's not something I want to go measure today with snow and cold. Thanks for your help. May we all have a safe and successful sailing season in 2008. Regards to all. Ken
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
Halyard length

Hi Ken; The Catalina manual that came with my MKIII tall rig says 3/8" low strech 112' in length. I replaced all of my running rigging a few years ago and I used New England Ropes, Sta-Set X for my halyards. I have been pleased with the results. fair winds Dave
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
Halyard length

Hi Ken; The Catalina manual that came with my MKIII tall rig says 3/8" low strech 112' in length. I replaced all of my running rigging a few years ago and I used New England Ropes, Sta-Set X for my halyards. I have been pleased with the results. fair winds Dave
 
Feb 4, 2005
524
Catalina C-30 Mattituck, NY
may want to add a few extra feet

You may want to add a few feet to that 112' so the haylard could reach down to the water should you ever need to lift / haul something out like a dingy or person in an emergency. Rob
 
Feb 4, 2005
524
Catalina C-30 Mattituck, NY
may want to add a few extra feet

You may want to add a few feet to that 112' so the haylard could reach down to the water should you ever need to lift / haul something out like a dingy or person in an emergency. Rob
 
Jan 22, 2003
744
Hunter 25_73-83 Burlington NJ
Halyard lengths and diameters

Rob-- may I say, VERY GOOD IDEA. I am typically worried about having enough length for winch tails and would not have immediately have thought of the ability to reach the water (and then some). This considered, I would spec out at least the secondary jib and main halyards to be over-length. You don't want the primaries to be too long and underfoot all the time. Another way to get people out of the water is with the vang clipped onto the mainsheet bail, but again it should be long enough to be tailed to a winch (and possibly through a snatch block on the rail to get a good lead to it). I requested a quote for a spinnaker halyard from Rigging Only and got a very firm response that I was crazy for asking for 7/16" when 3/8" was adequate for an H-25. This was somewhat funny on both ends of the phone but brought up an issue I was uncomfortable with. I prefer slightly too-large lines all around, not necessarily for strength. Larger-diameter lines are more comfortable to hold, securer to cleat, and can be pressed into service doing jobs they weren't narrowly spec'ed out to do (such as towing or warping). Moreover, thicker lines withstand aging better and longer. I think 3/8" is too light for primary halyards on a 30-ft boat and would insist on 7/16". (The blocks are probably Schaefer 5-series or equivalent and can be used with their intended max line size.) These should be Sampson XLS or equivalent. The Sampson comes out a little better on the strength/weight ratio than Sta-Set X, as well as being softer and easier to manage when new, but thanks to Randy Repass's two companies, NE Ropes and West Marine, it's almost impossible to get Sampson Yacht Braid over the counter any more. Defender's sell it and splice it. That's where I went.
 
Jan 22, 2003
744
Hunter 25_73-83 Burlington NJ
Halyard lengths and diameters

Rob-- may I say, VERY GOOD IDEA. I am typically worried about having enough length for winch tails and would not have immediately have thought of the ability to reach the water (and then some). This considered, I would spec out at least the secondary jib and main halyards to be over-length. You don't want the primaries to be too long and underfoot all the time. Another way to get people out of the water is with the vang clipped onto the mainsheet bail, but again it should be long enough to be tailed to a winch (and possibly through a snatch block on the rail to get a good lead to it). I requested a quote for a spinnaker halyard from Rigging Only and got a very firm response that I was crazy for asking for 7/16" when 3/8" was adequate for an H-25. This was somewhat funny on both ends of the phone but brought up an issue I was uncomfortable with. I prefer slightly too-large lines all around, not necessarily for strength. Larger-diameter lines are more comfortable to hold, securer to cleat, and can be pressed into service doing jobs they weren't narrowly spec'ed out to do (such as towing or warping). Moreover, thicker lines withstand aging better and longer. I think 3/8" is too light for primary halyards on a 30-ft boat and would insist on 7/16". (The blocks are probably Schaefer 5-series or equivalent and can be used with their intended max line size.) These should be Sampson XLS or equivalent. The Sampson comes out a little better on the strength/weight ratio than Sta-Set X, as well as being softer and easier to manage when new, but thanks to Randy Repass's two companies, NE Ropes and West Marine, it's almost impossible to get Sampson Yacht Braid over the counter any more. Defender's sell it and splice it. That's where I went.
 

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
JCherubini, I would not go too thick there

I would guess the sheaves in your masthead would probably handle 7/16" line if designed for 3/8". The sheave(s) are created for a fairly limited size range and a line too large will probably chafe on a smaller sheave over time. Having said that we have a somewhat over sized main sheet which makes for easier handling but takes up more space in the cockpit. Life is a series of compromises. Good points though about handling, cleating and multiple purposes for the halyards.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
JCherubini, I would not go too thick there

I would guess the sheaves in your masthead would probably handle 7/16" line if designed for 3/8". The sheave(s) are created for a fairly limited size range and a line too large will probably chafe on a smaller sheave over time. Having said that we have a somewhat over sized main sheet which makes for easier handling but takes up more space in the cockpit. Life is a series of compromises. Good points though about handling, cleating and multiple purposes for the halyards.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I have to say...

I agree with Cherubini on the Sampson line being better and lasting longer than Sta-Set X. I however don't agree that a 7/16 line will last longer than a 3/8 line. The number one cause of line deterioration is UV/exposure and the environment then jacket chafe. The jacket or outer braid of 3/8 Sampson is the SAME jacket as the 7/16 and as such will deteriorate at the same rate. In my years on the water, since the early 70's, I've yet to wear out a line due to stretch but have replaced many, many lines due to environmental issues regardless of the lines diameter. I understand why they laughed at you 7/16 is overkill! My 17,000 pound 36er has 7/16 halyards and I get no creep.. My guess is they were more concerned about, weight aloft, windage & the back splice fitting through your mast head. A 3/8 splice is generally shorter than a 7/16 and as such if you had 3/8 line previously and the splice, with main at full hoist, was just at the sheave the 7/16's splice could have been jamming in the mast head creating unnecessary chafe.. By the way I use Cajun Trading for all my running rigging! Great prices & great products and the halyard line is closer to Samson than the high pilling Sta-Set X! http://www.cajuntrading.ca/
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I have to say...

I agree with Cherubini on the Sampson line being better and lasting longer than Sta-Set X. I however don't agree that a 7/16 line will last longer than a 3/8 line. The number one cause of line deterioration is UV/exposure and the environment then jacket chafe. The jacket or outer braid of 3/8 Sampson is the SAME jacket as the 7/16 and as such will deteriorate at the same rate. In my years on the water, since the early 70's, I've yet to wear out a line due to stretch but have replaced many, many lines due to environmental issues regardless of the lines diameter. I understand why they laughed at you 7/16 is overkill! My 17,000 pound 36er has 7/16 halyards and I get no creep.. My guess is they were more concerned about, weight aloft, windage & the back splice fitting through your mast head. A 3/8 splice is generally shorter than a 7/16 and as such if you had 3/8 line previously and the splice, with main at full hoist, was just at the sheave the 7/16's splice could have been jamming in the mast head creating unnecessary chafe.. By the way I use Cajun Trading for all my running rigging! Great prices & great products and the halyard line is closer to Samson than the high pilling Sta-Set X! http://www.cajuntrading.ca/
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
line strengths

Just a little factual information on line strengths; Sta-set X 3/8 Breaking strength 5500 lbs Samson XLS extra 3/8 Breaking strength 4600 lbs Sta-set X 7/16 7400 lbs Samson XLS 7/16 6100 3/8's line is more than strong enough for a 30 Catalina halyard, the only 1/2 in line I have on my boat is main and genoa sheets, and that is for comfort, not for strength. Oh, yeah, my rode is 1/2 3 strand. fair winds Dave
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
line strengths

Just a little factual information on line strengths; Sta-set X 3/8 Breaking strength 5500 lbs Samson XLS extra 3/8 Breaking strength 4600 lbs Sta-set X 7/16 7400 lbs Samson XLS 7/16 6100 3/8's line is more than strong enough for a 30 Catalina halyard, the only 1/2 in line I have on my boat is main and genoa sheets, and that is for comfort, not for strength. Oh, yeah, my rode is 1/2 3 strand. fair winds Dave
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Stay with the recommended size!

Ken: I would stick with the recommended size lines. I had an experience with our H'31 a few years back. I installed the factory recommended size of line. They suggested 1/2", I used 1/2" Sta-set X and it was fine for the first year or so. Then we had a lot of trouble hoisting the main. I replaced the 1/2" Sta-set X with 7/16" Sta-set and the sail was again easy to hoist. I believe that the line had absorbed just enough moisture to cause the line swell and caused extra fricton. He newer lines can replace a larger sized line with small material of greater strength and less stretch. Do some research! I would suggest that you contact Catalina for the spec's. They typically have good tech support.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Stay with the recommended size!

Ken: I would stick with the recommended size lines. I had an experience with our H'31 a few years back. I installed the factory recommended size of line. They suggested 1/2", I used 1/2" Sta-set X and it was fine for the first year or so. Then we had a lot of trouble hoisting the main. I replaced the 1/2" Sta-set X with 7/16" Sta-set and the sail was again easy to hoist. I believe that the line had absorbed just enough moisture to cause the line swell and caused extra fricton. He newer lines can replace a larger sized line with small material of greater strength and less stretch. Do some research! I would suggest that you contact Catalina for the spec's. They typically have good tech support.
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
availability?

One other bit of factual information, both New England ropes Sta-set and Samson XLS extra are available from the West Marine catalog. fair winds Dave
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
availability?

One other bit of factual information, both New England ropes Sta-set and Samson XLS extra are available from the West Marine catalog. fair winds Dave
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
More availability!

Right here on the SailboatOwners Chandlery! They probably have the length and sizes for your particular rig.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
More availability!

Right here on the SailboatOwners Chandlery! They probably have the length and sizes for your particular rig.
 
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