Necessities or Nice to Have?

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Feb 17, 2006
5,274
Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
Based on your experienced and longevity of boat ownership, what do you personally consider a necessity or a nice to have?

Some examples:
Roller furling of head sail
Roller furling of main sail
Dodger
Bimini
Halyards led aft
Microwave
Aft anchor
Hot water heater
Shower
Others

What say you?
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,304
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
On those you mentioned the only one I consider a necessity is a second or kedge anchor.
 
Feb 9, 2008
292
Catalina 22 Long Beach Harbor, MS
I concur with Joe. However, here in south MS, the bimini is a close second! It can be a lifesaver.
 
Jul 1, 2004
567
Hunter 40 St. Petersburg
Aw, c'mon Brian, you know it's not like that,

not so black and white I mean.

That being said, and a reminder that these are my opinions, here's what I think,

Roller furling of head sail - a bit of both. for me, it's a safety issue in really snotty weather
Roller furling of main sail - neither for me . . .
Dodger - didn't think so until I got one.
Bimini - I live in Florida. are you kidding?
Halyards led aft - nope and nope. mine are but I'm thinking about moving them to the mast.
Microwave - what's that?
Aft anchor - kinda.
Hot water heater - you ready to camp?
Shower - camping? remember?
Others - what we're planning for Anthem before retirement:

hydraulic pto
hydraulic windlass
composite dodger/targa/bimini w/fold-down enclosures.
engine driven watermaker (60-80 gph, not gpd!)
bulk freezer

. . . sigh . . .
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
The bimini and dodger are lifesavers... the bimini is really important in the summer, the dodger more so in the early and late parts of the season.

A secondary anchor is a necessity, but having a good primary is more important.

Halyards led aft are a nicety, but not necessary.
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack
I think it depends on your AGE :)

Way back when we camped on the J24 in the 80s a tent rainfly and some solar shower bags did the trick

That for sure wont cut it NOW
 
Apr 22, 2001
497
Hunter 420 Norfolk, VA
I agree w/ "Tommays" ...
if you've got a J-24, and you're all about winning races, then none of the above (although a new set of Kevlar sails would probably be a necessity)...
but, if you've got a H-50 and you're all about cruising comfortably, then everything (and more of everything and even more of everything else).
 
Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
A good autopilot for those who single-hand a lot. Lazy-Jacks (or a Dutchman) and self-tending winches are also great for the single-hander.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,195
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Agree with previous statements.. autopilot, shower, hot water, air conditioner, bimini, control lines led to cockpit, good stove, good icebox, a good sized sink that drains when heeled, cockpit table, self tailing wenches, Windscoop, a decent stereo..roller reefing/furling for headsail
 
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Jun 7, 2004
264
- - Milwaukee
I'm assuming most of us primarily sail for the day or short trips, more or less shorthanded. "Necessity" might be too strong a word for any equipment on a recreational sailboat, which in most parts of the world if not the country still passes for a discretionary luxury item, tho one we all love. All that said, I'd call furling headsail, aft-led halyards and some sort of mainsail control system (furler, lazyjacks, dutchman) very high priority. Second anchor, too, I guess, although that doesn't come up much in our deep and friendly waters around Milwaukee. Things like microwave, shower, bimini, etc., are entirely a function of personal comfort level, how much cruising or liveaboard you do, and whether you have shore power or need to rely on other fuel sources.

Enjoy, that's the main thing.

--pb
 
Jan 10, 2009
590
PDQ 32 Deale, MD
I think it depends a great deal on the boat, too.

Based on your experienced and longevity of boat ownership, what do you personally consider a necessity or a nice to have?

Some examples:
Roller furling of head sail - On a cat, going on deck is easy, the the bow is not narrow. I have had both and can go either way (nice day - roller furler, big wind - hank-on)
Roller furling of main sail - Nope. I think slab reefs are easy.
Dodger - Depends on latitude.
Bimini - Depends on latitude.
Halyards led aft - On a cat, going on deck is easy. No thanks.
Microwave - Have one and seldom use it. Stove is a "need."
Aft anchor - Never rig it to the stern, but that is where it is kept.
Hot water heater - Have one but seldom use it. If I lived aboard in the winter, I would feel differently. For washing it is more efficient to throw a pot on the stove.
Shower - Deck shower is a "need." The below deck shower is seldom used.
Others - Autopilot. And extra crewman. It's a "need" since I single-hand often.
Others - Windlass. Bad back, some days, so a "need." Last boat, not even a vague "want."

What say you?
But I am commenting on my current ride and my current health.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
Based on your experienced and longevity of boat ownership, what do you personally consider a necessity or a nice to have?

Some examples:
Roller furling of head sail----- my formosa--necessity--other boats--nice to have
Roller furling of main sail---pita..lol--not needed---expensive to repair--lol
Dodgernice to have
Bimini--nice to have--in tropics---almost needed!
Halyards led aft--nice to have, but not needed unless you dislike going fwd to hoist main or jib=--if the 2 have roller furling, why bother with this!!???
Microwave--not on my boat ever!!!--i hate them, donot own one
Aft anchor -- nice to have
Hot water heater--took out of both my boats--they always find ways to spring leaks whenye donot need the water to disappear!!!
Shower--is why god made sunshowers!!
Others--LOL--depends on the others.. ....lazy jax if boom 20 ft like mine; gps is nice to have---makes finding your way easier; if ye has radar, ok if not--ok also! fishing gear!!!!!!! both for trolling and for fishing while at anchor, unless you are only racing or day sailing!

What say you?
i answered in the above area--lol-----add windlass and autopilot and propane stove with oven..LOL
i agree with the dude who said the million bux ..lol....would greatly help!!!--short of that, mebbe a winning lotto ticket..LOL
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
In the original list only the second anchor. I would add propane stove w/oven but at least some means of cooking. An awning when at anchor.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Depends on your age and boat usage

A lot of this depends upon you age and physical condition, whether you day sail or cruise, and how much crew is normally aboard. Also, some of the things listed are not really necessities. My dodger has been folded down for over a year. I know it keeps crud off of you, but it also can be hard to see out of, if covered with salt spray. For me, as I near the 72yo mark, roller furling head sail is a necessity, keeping me off the foredeck. As I frequently single hand, for longer distances, an auto pilot also fits into that category. A second anchor is something that in my opinion only a fool would leave shore without. And last but not least, charts for the area your planning on being in. For me, those are the only absolutely have to have items on board. Everything else is gravy. I have a hot water heater, which I do not use, and have disconnected. My reasoning is that if I have hot water, I'm going to take long hot showers. When out and anchored in a pristine and remote location where water is not available, long hot showers result in having no water. So a small solar shower bag works well. Also for me, a chartplotter is very nice to have, but not an item that is absolutely necessary. While I can navigate from paper charts, as a general rule it is much simpler and less time consuming to use the chartplotter, as long as you keep constant notes as to your location, and are aware of the limitations. I am constantly amazed at some who think that they cannot sail a boat without every bell and whistle known to man, and I suspect that some of these spend much more time sitting at the dock, wishing for another gadget so they could go out sailing for a day or two.
 

Les

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May 8, 2004
375
Hunter 27 Bellingham, WA
Since I just bought a new 2009 H27 last year I just went through this exercise. But I have had nine other boats before this one--have raced hard and cruised north. But I think whoever said age and use had the understanding of the question. I'm mid seventies and want to day sail and overnight cruise.

When we bought this boat we HAD to have: roller fulling main and jib. Two speed winches for my wife...but I like them too. Max prop. Dodger (but we live in the northwest), companionway doors, cockpit cushions (trust me when you're my age it is a necessity), Marine head and holding tank (another age related necessity), autopilot for when I go out by myself, sugar scoop stern (for getting on and off) and hot air furnace (very much needed). And here is a strange one for the Have to Have category--my Kindle. This little boat has no room for books and I am finding it very delightful to sit in the cabin and read.

Some items are just nice, but maybe not necessary. Gas lifts for the engine cover, stereo, an electric cooler and a one burner stove. The boat came with a microwave but I haven't use it yet. It came with a folding wheel but I think a tiller would have been better. Another nice to have is my bean bag chair that fits on the cabin seats. It's a small one that I got years ago. Really nice to have.

I have ordered a Winchrite. It it works like I think it will for me it will be placed in the must have category. One surprise has been a fender kit with four fenders that are blown up with a pump. Since my home slip is lined with permanent fenders, this kit doesn't take up much space and is good when I visit another port or tie up in a club raft.

One thing I have asked (nice to have category) for my birthday (don't ask) is a twelve foot power cord. We back into slips so often that the fifty foot power cord that came with the boat is a pain to handle. I'll have to get back to you on this one. Another thing I would like to have is AIS (we have ferrys to watch out for).

Things I didn't want this time around: Radar, refrigerator/freezer, stereo in the cockpit,

Fun question--thanks.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,304
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I concur with Joe. However, here in south MS, the bimini is a close second! It can be a lifesaver.
Yeah, here in San Diego the bimini and dodger just spoil the view. But I've sailed a bunch in florida and a dodger/bimini would be #2, right after no-see-um netting. Also in Fla. an accurate depth meter.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Plotting tools ,hand bearing compass, paper charts, all vital.
 
Sep 29, 2008
1,961
Catalina 310 #185 Quantico
All of you missed ...

I have a couple of bottles of rum and tequila and whiskey onboard. Not saying they are a necessity, but they are nice to have onboard. :dance:
 
Jan 4, 2006
283
West Coast
What Do You Want from Life?

I'm with Snotter and Ross: don't consider many things necessities. But geography, age, size of yacht, and a host of other factors will create different priorities.

For me, a southern-California daysailor, weekender and short coastal cruiser @ 50 years of age who single-hands 80% of the time:

Necessities
Roller-furling headsail
Wheel pilot
Good primary anchor/ground tackle
A kedge on the stern rail
Dodger keeps the spray off me when beating against chop
Paper charts/plotting tools (but I'm simply piloting along the coast much of the time, so no need to do navigation proper)
dependable dinghy/motor
a good pair of sunglasses
books to read

Niceties
GPS with waypoints & such
lazy jacks
SCUBA equip.
adventurous friend or two
SS grill on stern rail
Dutchman boom brake
lots of battery capacity

Can Do Without
hot water (SunShower will giterdone)
bimini
all those other things

In ten years, my list will have evolved, I'm sure.

Fair Winds,
Jeff
 
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