Navigation Basics

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Jun 29, 2010
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C&C 40 Toronto
I do not accept relying on a GPS to navigate coastal water however I struggle with the basics of coastal navigation (I thinks it's the math). There are plenty of books out there (I own 3) but I find them very difficult to follow. I feel that a more hands-on approach to training is the answer.

Any suggestions ie:Navigation For Dummies?
 
Feb 10, 2004
4,235
Hunter 40.5 Warwick, RI
Check out your local Power Squadron. They have courses that are second to none. They can teach you everything you need to know to navigate and be safe.

Yes, I am bias. I am a 23-year USPS member and have taken every course available for a Full Certificate or Senior Navigator rating.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,360
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Nigel Calder's Cruisers Handbook. If had only two books I could take with me, they'd be Calder's "Boatowners Mechanical & Electrical Systems" (2nd Edition is much better than the newer 3rd edition) and this one. Everything you ever need to know in two handy volumes. Of course, I've got tons of other books, including Dutton's and Chapman's. There are also, as you mentioned, lotsa other "How to Navigate" books.

They're really all the same: it's trig - that stuff you maybe had trouble with in high school! :eek:

I recommend you either follow Rich's suggestion and take a class, or just take it a step at a time. Next time you go out, setup a little "experiment" for yourself and see how it works. That's how I figured it out.

Good luck, it's very "doable."

S = D / T for starters. Or something like that...:dance:
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Do you have "The Practical Pilot' by Leonard Eyges? It is the best i have seen. Mostly it is a matter of sailing the same places several times and refining what you know in your head and making it fit what you see.
 
Nov 26, 2006
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Hunter 31 1987 Fly Creek Marina Fairhope,AL.
Check out your local Power Squadron. They have courses that are second to none. They can teach you everything you need to know to navigate and be safe.

Yes, I am bias. I am a 23-year USPS member and have taken every course available for a Full Certificate or Senior Navigator rating.
agree with Rich.

USPS is a blessing for pleasure boaters and the price is right. " free "

How much is you and your families safety/ peaceof mind worth ?

Took my fist PS course in 91, 100 ton in 97, 200 ton masters 2001 have made my living since then on the water and no regrets except wish i had done it earlier in life than age 38 ... lol

happy sailing and safe passages to all.

get to mobile bay, look me up.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
Also, consider getting a Schaum's Outline for college trigonometry. As a bonus, the outline will probably have an appendix that covers spherical trigonometry.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Also, consider getting a Schaum's Outline for college trigonometry. As a bonus, the outline will probably have an appendix that covers spherical trigonometry.
Coastal piloting isn't nearly that complex. Celestial navigation can be as simple as noon sights or as compex as you wish to make it but for coastal navigation you are never out of sight of land and therefore landmarks.
Parallel rules , dividers and pencils and paper charts are all you need. Take the bearings of two or more land marks using the ships compass and plot them on the chart and you will be at the point where the lines cross.
 

MSter

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Apr 12, 2010
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Sabre 38' MK II Oriental, NC
CYA coastal nav

The Canadian Yachting Assoc offers a 10 week Coastal Navigation course which starts with the basics and ends teaching the skills needed to cruise without electronics if you want. It's more Arithmetic than complicated math and the skill and ability of the course leader is important.
Watch out though as the course progresses week to week and gets more challenging as the cumulative info builds.
The courses start shortly.
Best of Luck
MSter
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Not complicated

Coastal navigation is pretty easy using your charts. Only thing I would add, is a hand held compass. Take a bearing on prominent landmarks as Ross said, and plot your position. From there on, it gets a liittle more difficult, but still not that hard. Of course, now you will want a hand held GPS to check your results.:confused:
 
Jul 28, 2010
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Boston Whaler Montauk New Orleans
The Power Squadron is a great course and will teach you a lot of boating basics, including navigation basics. You can then take more in depth courses.

I'm a book guy, myself, though. I like to read and understand something. One of the first books I got when I wanted to learn navigation was "Basic Coastal Navigation" by Frank Larkin. Great book.
 

larryw

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Jun 9, 2004
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Beneteau OC400 Long Beach, CA
Time Speed Distance is very similar to Ohm's Law for Resistance Current Volt. They both work on the cross in the circle principal; cover the one you want and the remaining letters tell you what to do.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,323
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
First... "The Annapolis Book or Seamanship" by John Rousmaniere features a very complete section on piloting (coastal navigation) that any layman can understand and apply. I think it's the best all round sailing book available and highly recommend it, not just for the navigation sections, but for all the other facets of sailing it covers. You get it discounted from Amazon, older editions may be found that are less expensive and still relevent.

Second... understanding the basics of coastal navigation with the Annapolis book will come fairly quickly. Where the difficulty lies is not plotting the course or reading the chart... but in the physical act of taking a bearing.

On a relatively small, moving platform such as a 27 foot sailboat, getting accurate bearings is difficult and takes practice. What is needed is a good handheld compass. I have a compass built into my binoculars that helps when trying to pick up bouys... but if the vessel is moving around it's tough to get with 5 to 10 degrees... so

I have a handheld model that is held out at arm's length that I like a lot. http://us.binnacle.com/Navigation-C...STIMO-IRIS-100-HAND-COMPASS/product_info.html

The hockey puck style is also very accurate and compact. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...toreNum=10113&subdeptNum=10682&classNum=10683

The ultimate tool, if you have the bucks, is the datascope: http://www.davesmarineelectronics.com/KVH-Marine-Monocular.aspx

However, since it's electronic, it can be prone to failure. The other products are mechanical and could last indefinitely.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,360
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Joe points out an important issue: accurate bearings. many beginner navigators mistakenly believe that they need the "absolute" type of bearings that one would find in the shelter and solidity of an aircraft carrier's bridge. It sure appears that way form the diagrams in Dutton's and Chapman's. That's just not true, nor is it necessary. On Joe's "bouncing yacht," regardless of whether you're using your main steering compass or a hand bearing one, you are taking what are called relative bearings. Bearings off two known points and general directions that will give you a "fix." All the nav books note that fixes cannot ever be established to be "perfect." What they tell you is the general vicinity of where you can be, simply based on the distance to one or both of the objects and the ability to note the bearings and transfer them to a chart. While I've been doing it for years, when i first started I didn't bother marking up my charts with pencil lines, I just used my hands: "Oh, Rock #1 over there, Post #3 over here at these angles, and bingo, I'm somewhere around HERE!" It's this frustration with math and the anticipated need for "perfection" that I see getting a whole lot of folks confused and anxious about using bearings on a boat. As many have said, right here on this thread, go out and try. If bearings are what you are using, you're using a portion of ded reckoning anyway. One of my log looks says: "Good navigation is the art of knowing where you're not!"
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
With regard to the last two posts I plotted on an old chart bearings on land marks about 13 miles apart and about 10 miles away (that means they are tall and the visibility is very good). I arbitrarily choose a position and made 10 degree errors in my bearings to check the difference that would make in my position. At worst it is about one and a half miles. Most of the time you will be within a couple of miles of your land marks so your error will be in hundreds of yards.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Most of the time you will be within a couple of miles of your land marks so your error will be in hundreds of yards.
Hundreds of yards in Maine, in the fog, can be a LOT of error....:D
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Hundreds of yards in Maine, in the fog, can be a LOT of error....:D
In the fog the land marks will be very close so the errors will be very small. you will see your error just before you go bump. :D
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
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CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
I do not accept relying on a GPS to navigate coastal water however I struggle with the basics of coastal navigation (I thinks it's the math). There are plenty of books out there (I own 3) but I find them very difficult to follow. I feel that a more hands-on approach to training is the answer.

Any suggestions ie:Navigation For Dummies?
The Canadian Power Squadron holds courses over the winter; this is a good option, especially if you think you need alot of coaching and practice.

Humber College holds the CYA Coastal Nav course in west Toronto every spring. There's the 6 or 8 night version, there is also a one-weekend intensive course (which is tough but worked for me cos I do well in trig)

As much as possible we try to navigate with charts and bearings, but we also have a small handheld GPS... just in case. It usually stays off.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
My first exporure to coastal / river navigation came from Mark Twain. You steered a river boat by ranges when two landmarks came into line you turned and followed until another land mark came into view and you lined up on that until it lined up with another mark ......................................
 
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