Mystery Through hulls

[kloudie1]

Yeah.. I noticed that .. also one with split backstay.. They may have been installed by mistake in a boat at the transition between the two types of cockpit drains.. ?? He didn't list a date of manufacture.. Bigger mistakes in boat manufacturing have been made..

 

[Steve Dion]

Kloudie:

I do not understand the mistake?

 

[Mselv1]

Yeah.. I noticed that .. also one with split backstay.. They may have been installed by mistake in a boat at the transition between the two types of cockpit drains.. ?? He didn't list a date of manufacture.. Bigger mistakes in boat manufacturing have been made..

Sent an email off to Hunter asking about these. I'll update again when I have a reply.

As to manuf date. Hull # is HUN50312M76E-27
Not sure how to interpret it.
Regards,
Mark

 

[Ed Schenck]

Your boat is a 1976 Hunter 27 built in month 'E' or December, probably hull # 312 as seen here: http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm . I cannot explain the '5' though. Like they tell you to never buy a Monday car maybe you got a boat built right around Christmas.

 

[Jimmy_Famous]

Mark:

Look at this link from Yachtworld. Same thru hulls on the stern. They are out of water.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...66/San-Pedro/CA/United-States&boat_id=2184266

This boat is located in California.

Hey, thats my boat!
I am new here and have just purchased the boat in the link.
Funny thing is I have not seen her yet as I live In Minnesota and I am moving to San Diego in 2 weeks. My wife and I will be living aboard the "Manana".
If I find out anything about the thru hulls I will post it.

 

[Ed Schenck]

You are kidding Jimmy? That's a really nice H27. Someone really took care of that boat. Hope you come back with pictures of that stern from the inside. We can't wait to see what is connected to those thru-hulls.

Never saw an H27 with a big Bruce anchor, hope that comes with it.

 

[Jimmy_Famous]

Thanks Ed,
We are so excited about moving back on to a boat in San Diego.
Yes everything listed is in the deal.
Got to run to work now, be back later in the day.

 

[kloudie1]

Steve.. The mistake of putting on two thru-hulls and not connecting them to anything..??
It will be interesting to see what Jimmy has to say about his transom thru-hulls.

 

[Mselv1]

Info or Lack thereof

I emailed Hunter customer service to see the mystery of the thru - hulls could be resolved from the source. I also had a few other questions for them regarding this boat. I must say, that although their reply was prompt and courteous. Only some of my questions were addressed and they had NO answers!! I was truly disappointed as I had heard that Hunter had really good customer service. I would think they would have some sort of archive record system.
Excerpts of my email and their reply are below.
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"Good Morning.
I am the new owner of a 1976 H27 Hull # [FONT=&quot]HUN50312M76E-27[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I am reworking the boat as she has been on stands for the past 6 yrs and has some environmental damage.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A perplexing observation I have is the nature of the 2 Through Hulls in the transom. (Pic attached.) Photos of some H27 I find online have these and others do not. The plumbing diagram that I have does not show these. They are open to the bilge![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]All cockpit and cockpit locker drains are accounted for.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]So. After rigorous discussion on online forums I thought it best to ask the source. Any help or info is greatly appreciated. Others await the answer also.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The discussion can be found at http://forums.hunter.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=121626[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]One other question I have regards the head plumbing. It appears that the Head originally pumped directly overboard using seawater. It has been converted to a self contained “porta-potti” and all through hulls blocked. I know that a holding tank was an option on this boat. What size, shape, and location were used? I want to convert to a holding tank setup with a deck pump out before I put her back in the water.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And for my final question..Is there a dimension available for the distance from mast base to spreaders? The marina in NJ that the boat is at has no facilities to remove the mast. It looks like my only solution is to build an A-frame derrick to do so and that dimension would help, as the boat is 3 hours away from home and I would like to fabricate the frame in my shop here."[/FONT]
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Their answer in it's entirety:
"Hello Mark,

All are good questions. Unfortunately, I do not have the answers.

The H27 went through several changes with most being to the deck (cabin top). What I do recall is that the inboard version and wheel steering system was an option. You could also equip the engine with or without freshwater cooling. Most inboard version had the standard Renault raw water cooling systems when they left Hunter. I have often wondered if this was the reason for the two thru hulls….the mystery continues.

When the last version of the H27 came to an end in early 80’s it was then offered as a kit boat under the name QUEST. Perhaps this was a part of the installs made by Hunter or the owner completing the boat….using Hunter recommendations.

[FONT=&quot]I wish I could tell you more but that is all I can recall. [/FONT]"

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And so the Mystery continues.

 

[Mselv1]

Congrats

Hey, thats my boat!
I am new here and have just purchased the boat in the link.
Funny thing is I have not seen her yet as I live In Minnesota and I am moving to San Diego in 2 weeks. My wife and I will be living aboard the "Manana".
If I find out anything about the thru hulls I will post it.

Jimmy,
Best of luck with your new boat. It is too funny that we were discussing your new home.
Please fill lus in on what you find regarding those thru hulls. Who would have thought that 2 small fittings would bear this much discussion.
Mark

 

[Mselv1]

Thanks Ed

Your boat is a 1976 Hunter 27 built in month 'E' or December, probably hull # 312 as seen here: http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/hin.htm . I cannot explain the '5' though. Like they tell you to never buy a Monday car maybe you got a boat built right around Christmas.

Thanks Ed. I have bookmarked that site.

 

[kloudie1]

Woah.. I had no remembrance of hunter offering these as kits !! Interesting..
I guess it doesn’t surprise me that they have no real records from back in ’76.. Many companies are electing to eliminate older records because of the fear of any litigation.. May not be the case here, but ya gotta wonder. The other thing is that there was very little electronic storage back in those days so most of that would have been hard copy.. probably lost/eliminated in the move to Florida from New Jersey. No real incentive to convert and store electronically, I guess.

 

[LovaLee]

The 27 I recently purchased was built in '78. There are two thru hullls in the same location but one appears to have been modified by a PO. I'll head for the marina this afternoon and see if I can get a photo of the internals.

Good luck with Hunter. I've written to them twice for info and have only gotten short, polite, "sorry" e-mails in return (see below). It's like they destroyed all records of these boats. If anyone has links to manuals I would really appreciate the help.

From: Eddie Breeden [mailto:customerservice@huntermarine.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 3:38 PM
To: wallks@suddenlink.net
Subject: RE: Maintenance Aloft

Hello Steve,

Sorry but we do not have any service manuals for this model. However, I have attached some general info that may be of help.


Thanks,

Eddie Breeden


From: wallks@suddenlink.net [mailto:wallks@suddenlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:01 PM
To: Eddie Breeden
Subject: Maintenance Aloft



I recently purchased a 1978 Hunter 27. I don't think there has been any maintenance done aloft in several years. I did not receive manuals with the boat. Can you tell me what preventive maintenance is suggested aloft?



Thank you,

Steve Wall

wallks@suddenlink.net

 

[LovaLee]

Ok, I haven't been to the marina yet but I did find a pdf of an old h22_37 Manual that I collected somewhere, probably off of this site. It contains plumbing & wiring diagrams. The plumbing diagram for the 27 shows those thru-hulls to be cockpit drains, not cross-tubed.

This text was on the last page: Scanned by: Jim Boernge, S/V Short Circuit, For the good of all Hunter Sailors, Document found on my 1981 Hunter 36, circa 1981, Scanned as found

 

[Nereussailor]

I don't think Hunter crossed any of the cockpit drains in the older boats. My "83" H30 drains were not crossed until I replaced them in 2005. The hoses were original when I replaced them.

 

[SamLust]

Hunter also offered the 33 (C) as a "Quest" kit boat. From what I was able to figure out from pictures posted for boats for sale the buyer got to build the interior. Molded in fittings and mounting points were there just like the factory boats and one simply used or ignored them as one liked. layout was up to the owner. I recall one in particular which I believe was named "Freebird" which was especially nice inside. They seem to have been molded concurrent with the next generation Carlton Steck (unacknowledged in typical Hunter fashion designed boats; IE: 34 and 31. This is one reason one needs to be careful buying a Cherubini Hunter. Owner finished boats can be very shoddy. Assuming they continued the serial number sequence the 33's would have numbers higher than 591 as that is my boat's number and as far as I can tell mine was the last one sold a "Hunter". - 491'st one built. Numbering always started at 100.

Once again, good luck getting anything out of Hunter. Most if not all of the records and drawings from that period have been destroyed and it had nothing to do with the move from New Jersey. That move came very early on. The lack of information from Hunter is by calculated choice. Not sure why. I guess if you don't have information you won't spend a lot of time on the phone discussing it. Interesting that one can call Catalina and get all sorts of information, resources and repair parts. Often times the owner of the company answers the phone. Interesting that my most recent boat gotten rid of was a Hunter and my most recent purchase was a Catalina.

 

[David in Sandusky]

definitely cockpit drains

Those are the cockpit drains on our '77 h27. They are above water until we hit hull speed, when the water backs up into the cockpit to let us know we are really moving. The cockpit drain hoses are crossed port to starboard, and starboard to port, and the drain from the little compartment behind the tiller/rudder post Y's into one of them.

As implied above, the cockpit floor is just above the water line, so the drain outlets need to be as close as possible to the waterline.

The exhaust is the only other through-hull in the transom, so these are not the work of a P.O. on our boat.

 

[J Hunter]

My 76 30 has one larger through hull at the same spot and the cockpit drains are teed into it. When heeling a little on a broad reach and following sea and with a few robust guests all in the cockpit, some times I see the level in the cockpit drain hose get all the way up to the deck of the cockpit. Maybe the 27 has that same tendency and a previous owner piped the cockpit drains to those other combined through hulls to avoid that, but like recommended I'd seal them up tighter than they are now.

As far as stepping the mast without overhead yard equipment, I would not recommend it unless you had 4 hardy souls available, I did it once on my 30 which has a heavier mast with 3 of my friends when I was 23.

Behind the marina bath house was a hinged A frame made out of 2x6s. You'll need one with legs at least 60% the length of your mast. The one I used had two short plates (also 2x6) sandwiching one end of both legs with one bolt though each plate that the legs could pivot on and with a bolt through the center of the two plates where a block could be attached from below. The other ends of the legs had holes drilled so they could be lashed to the toe rails. With the mast laying stem to stern and the fore stay and aft most shrouds rigged with the turnbuckles fairly extended, I erected the A frame about a foot aft of amidships by running a tight line from bow cleat knotted to top of A frame then to stern cleat and lashing the bottom ends of the legs to the toe rails athwartships and a foot aft of the mast step. Before raising the A frame I hung a snatch block to the bolt at the top center of the A-frame and fed a line (I think I used the main sheet) through the snatch block with enough length to have one end reach the deck and the other end long enough to be fed through another block on the toe rail and back to the jib winch. Once it was all rigged with the short end of the raising line clove hitched to the mast at just a bit more than half the total mast length from the base, we stationed two people on the mast and one person winching and one tailing and slowly raised the mast, the bottom of the mast being the heavier end (because of the off center pick point) hung wanting to drag along the deck and needed to be lifted a bit and helped along, once the mast was high enough to start getting a little tension on the aft shrouds the base came down to the deck and could be guided the rest of the way down and forward to the step, held from falling forward or abeam by the two aft shrouds and from falling aft by the fore stay. Once the step was lined up and started, the rest of the standing rigging was attached and evenly tightened while easing the raising line to match.

Good luck!

 

[Cpt. Jon]

Mast raising: DON'T do it as these guys did.. I am amazed..
http://towndock.net/news/mast-raising-from-the-bridge

Wow, just wow

 

[Greenman]

Those thru hulls are the cockpit drains, they are not below the waterline, but quickely start pumping water into the cockpit on a fast downwind run, with following seas. Good way to wash crap out of your cockpit, but I will be moving mine this winter. Also, while you are at it, you may want to consider doubling the diameter of your drains, adding a flapper or other method of stopping "baskwash" and also making them more of a straight shot to the stern rather than the messed up system Hunter used in those days.

Great boats though, I love mine.