My turn to cry *cry

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Mar 21, 2004
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Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
*cry *cry We made our last sail for the season this weekend. Three days of heavenly bliss. Did 134nm. The weather was perfect the winds sometimes a little much but what the hell! Now I start all of the winter projects. A wish for you that spring comes soon, so we can get back to that we love and inspires our souls. *bzz And to our veterans - I remember... Vietnam 68-69 Jim S/V Java
 
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nick maggio

Did Last Sail Today

We sailed to our winter storage today and it was a great sail with great wind to end the year and now the winter projects also ,hopefuly the winter won't be too bad. nick
 
Dec 25, 2000
6,052
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Hi Jim, I was there on the Kitty Hawk...

1963-1964 for three months 25 miles off shore. And to all our veterans and active soldiers fighting for our freedom. Terry
 
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Wayne

My turn to Smile

Sorry Guys Spring has sprung in Melbourne Australia, MY C380 is flying out on Port Phillip Bay, and all is well. Don't worry six months and the shoe will be on the other foot. To all the Aussy and American Veteran's at Nam and active soldiers fighting this war againts terrorism. I salute you all. Wayne
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
My turn to smile....but I almost....

....wound up crying this week. Took my boat in to the yard to have the boat put up on the hard. The next day, while waiting my turn to be hauled, one of the idiot stink potters decided to speed up his varinshing with a propane heater.....yep.....he started a little fire which quickly got away from him. As the flames increased to about 30', the 2 sailboats on either side of him started. Before the carnage was over, eight boats burned and three sank. Millions of dollars in damage not counting the cleanup cost for the fuel and debrie in the water. I was lucky, my boat was eight boat slips from the last boat burned before the FD put it out. Well, to look on the bright side....at least I have a boat for next season, Happy Layup!!!
 
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JohnS

Not giving up yet.

Just went out tonight. I'm still hoping for one or two good weekend days of sailing before I have to winterize.
 
Mar 1, 2005
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Hunter 34 North East, MD
Never Forget...

Thanks for thinking of us, Jim. RVN, School of Hard Knocks, Class of '67. Intrepid H34 #113 On the Hard in North East MD
 
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Tom Monroe

I actually got a couple of phone calls

Nam 69 and 70, and it's always pretty much been my practice to ignore Veteran's Day ... something about being spit on when I got back, I guess. You know, I actually got some telephone calls last Friday, thanking me for being a vet. Gives me hope for our men and women returning from our current struggles. (I was sailing at the time I got the calls, so I guess this discourse can go on this board :) ) Tom Monroe Carlyle Lake
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Tom, in this day and age,

anyone that spits on a vet will be stomped to death by a mob! As well they should. And this nation can't apologize to you enough.
 
Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Victoria BC
Tom M. let me ask you a question...

First, let me tell you how much I respect the efforts you made on behalf of your country in Vietnam. Second, by ignoring Veterans Day, are you not also ignoring those that have given the ultimate sacrifice in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam Afganistan, Kuwait and now Iraq? My father enlisted in April 1940, served in Sicily, Italy, Holland, France and Germany. Discharged Nov 1, 1945. No matter what I think of the events of today I still respect the efforts made by those before him, those with him and those since, including yourself and your brothers and sisters in arms. Please don't take this as a criticism or personally, because it most certainly is not meant that way. However to me,a statement like that means that you also ignore the efforts my father made to allow us to live in this world, however screwed up it may be. Respectfully, David
 
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Mking

Bitter Pill

Tom, many sometimes still taste the same bitter pill. Time for us old guys to mellow and apply what we learned in support of the youngsters that now carry the torch. God Bless Michael (c/s 'Wizard')
 
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Tom Monroe

Sorry for the sidetrack ...

Sorry all, that was just a real quick response while I was trying to catch up on a week and a half of missed posts on this board. I didn't mean to sidetrack the post on a board meant to be about sailing. The whole story is a lot worse, and I shouldn't have started it here. I do have to say to David W though that he's right, and I've known for many years that in trying to put my own past behind me and get on with life, none of that bestows any well-deserved honor on his dad, or mine for that matter (he volunteered for the paratroops to get out of a safe teaching billet in WWII and "get somewhere where I could make a difference). Or my own friends who never came home. I couldn't agree more with Mking ... time for us old guys to mellow about ourselves and just be sure it never happens again. "Wind and waves of torment cease to become a poem of this senseless voyage. Smile fool, and sail on." Tom
 
Nov 12, 2004
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Hunter 37.5 Kemah, Tx
Nice thread you started

My brother and I were drafted at the same time in 1967. I ended up with a 3A deferrment and he went to Nam. I got two great kids from that marriage he got unknown diseases from Agent Orange and everything else over there. He has a good attitude about it now but maybe it helped him deal with all the stuff he's been through and I'm glad he came home. My family has had someone serving in every war since the French and Indian wars, we come from a long line of patriots. The first time I saw my Dad cry was when my brother called from SF and said he was home. My Dad fought in WWII in the Philipines with the Air Corp, my uncle died in a submarine off the Florida coast. They didn't want their sons going to war. Some things just have to be. Jim, it's actually 37 years ago that Mike left for Viet Nam to service in the Big Red 1. Thanks for helping all of us not to forget. I'll think about you guys up North while sailing this winter, right Franklin? Tom s/v At Last
 
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J.P.

Question to Tom

Tom Monroe, This is a question only, so stay composed. I too was in favor of the was (Vietnam) my brother served had a good friend killed. There were two investigative reporters that went out after the story tht was put out there by who knows, but they found zero pictures, no credible witnesses, and the many vets that they interviewed said they had "heard" of vets in uniform being spit on but never actually saw it themselves. When asked specifically, most said if they WERE 'spit' on, them the spitter would surely wind up hospitalized after what they had been through. This is purely in search of the truth. After reading that, I asked many Vets and did not find one credible truthfull witness to this actually happening. Do you know of ANY evidence of, protesters, hippies, love children, Manson family, or aliens actually having the audacity to spit on a USMarine that just arrived home from going through HELL?
 
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David Guthridge

Viet Nam Vet

Jim, I keep my boat, a Pearson 26, at Cobb Island too. It's the green one "Imagination". I went down last Tuesday and found the pisser on the outboard was not working so that ended that sail. Took the engine off, got it fixed, and will try again next week after Thanksgiving. Which boat is yours? My wife and I live in Stafford, Va. We work weekends so come down midweek. Fred on the "Greyhound" houseboat and I are friends as well as Ron on the 50' Benatau on "B" dock. Next summer I will be spending more Sundays on the boat though. See you then, David 69-70, DaNang harbor, USS Charleston LKA 113.
 
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Bill Cooper

Answer to J.P.

This is only an answer, so please try to maintain your composure. I didn't go to Viet Nam during the war. I was a sailor - U.S. Navy (enlisted, not officer) and was stationed in the Philippines for the duration of my active duty. When I was deployed to the P.I., my point of departure and return was Travis Air Force Base, same as most GI's deployed from the West Coast. No protestors, hippies, love children or Manson family ventured onto Travis AFB to wish us well, but that may have had something to do with the ratio of uniforms to civilians. And, in those days, families were allowed to greet returning service men and women on the tarmac. But when I returned home in mid-tour due to the impending death of my grandfather, I flew into San Francisco Airport (March of 1970). I was not spit upon, and have no pictures (in a pre-Rodney King world, who the hell DID have pictures?) but I can assure you that I was verbally shit on as I made my way through the airport. And I was "only" a sailor, not a muddy booted combat vet in an Army or Marine Corps uniform. If you doubt that Viet Nam Vets were spit on when they returned home, (purely in search of the truth) don't ask vets in yachting circles. Go to the Soup Kitchens and ask the people in line there. I know this is way off the track of this forum, but couldn't let J. P. go unanswered.
 
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Tom Monroe

Well JP ...

... I said it was a longer story, and I was just going to let it go, cause like I said, this is a sailing forum. But you asked a considerate question, so I'll give you a considerate answer. And then can we PLEASE go back to sailing? On an afternoon in early Nov. 1970, we were in a minor firefight, moved about 2 klicks off that location, and set up early for the night. The Lt came over and said they had come up on the net that I was going home on emergency leave, and a slick will be here to pull me out. Everyone gave me what money they had, out I went (scary damn extracation), and we flew through a couple refuelings all the way to Ben Hoa, where the company xo met me with orders. They bumped someone off the next flight stateside, and I was in the air for home less than six hours after being in a firefight. STILL didn't know why, or what was going on. Got to Travis AFB, where I was finally able to discover that my dad was in critical condition from his heart problems. Bused to Oakland to get cleaned up and in uniform, and then out to San Fran airport, where I was sitting with my head spinning from too much change, having a real drink for the first time in who knows how long, waiting for my plane to St. Louis when two guys, not particularly hippy looking, walked by and spit on me. They didn't say anything that I heard. I was too stunned to even react, they disappeared. A few people who saw it whisked me away, got me drunk, and carried me on the plane. They told the passengers my story, cause when we got to St. Louis, everyone stayed seated and clapped till I was off the plane. So, truthfully it was a bigger deal a few months later when I could place it in context and think about it. So ... I was not speaking metaphorically in my first post. It did happen, and it happened at a pretty bad time for me. You might bear in mind that this was SF, after all, probably the focal point for anti-war feelings. And recall also that people acted and made decisions in those years amidst a caldron of emotion and chaos that is not particularly understandable today. I just wanted to explain why some of us just manage better day-to-day by leaving the whole thing alone ... even on Veteran's Day. BTW, Dad died three days later, my financee broke our engagement a few weeks after that, and the next couple years were pretty rough. But today, I am a successful, respected, and educated man, with a fine family, five grandchildren, and a C27 that I love to sail. As I told my daughter a couple years ago, I'm not dead, disabled, POW, or mentally gone. A lot of guys ... and their families ... had it a lot worse. I'm not going to respond to anything that gets posted after this on this thread. If anyone just HAS to go on with this, my off board email is clevispin10@hotmail.com. Tom
 
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