My trip back to Louisiana last weekend

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TFrere

A couple of weeks ago I posted a question to all sailors about my trip from Long Beach, MS to Madisonville, LA. I got some very helpful information and I appreciate all of the replies.
Now for the story. Last weekend, a buddy and I took on the weather sailing back to Lake Pontchartrain. We were headed due west with a west wind blowing directly in our faces. Needless to say, we were doing a lot of tacking and a long one-day trip was not possible. I found I couldn't sail much closer to the wind than 40 degrees in my H27 (1978).
Along the way, we saw a thunderstorm brewing north of us and headed our way. We decided to take the sails down and motor for a while. We were prepared to throw the anchor if it got too rough. I have a Schafer furling system and for some reason it did not roll the jib up all the way. I went to the bow to get the sail rolled up completely when the motor came to an abrupt halt. I thought it was serious then realized the jib sheets had both fallen overboard and gotten caught in the propeller. My buddy was an ex-commercial diver so I though he was going to tackle the task for me, but he quickly told me I should take a knife with me. It took about 5 dives but I finally freed all of the lines from the shaft.
By this time, the weather was really getting rough and the tiny ship was being tossed. We decided to get into the cabin and bunker down for this really bad thunderstorm. Based on the weather reports, we sustained an approximate wind speed of 60 mph and seas of about 6 feet. Since I had never gotten the jib rolled up completely, we watched pieces being torn off during the storm. The whole ordeal lasted about 40 minutes and I was afraid I would have more damage than just a torn jib. But the boat did just fine.
Since it was getting late, we just motored about 12 more miles to the mouth of the Rigolets (channel that enters Lake Pontchartrain). The train bridge was closed and was not going to open for about an hour. It was getting dark so we decided to anchor there for the night and go through the bride the next morning. All night, we bounced around in about 2 to 3 foot seas. I was afraid the anchor would slip, as the current coming out of the lake was very strong. At first light, however, we found we hadn't moved at all. We got the bridge to open and entered the Rigolets in route to the lake.
Things were going well when we entered the lake, but suddenly we ran aground just south of the I-10 bridge. Luckily we were able to get back in the channel with the motor. I thought the lake was 12 feet deep from bank to bank but I was wrong.
After we got through all of the bridges (I-10, Hwy 11, another train bridge, I started looking for the Causeway (incidentally, for those who don't know, the Causeway is the longest bridge in the world crossing from New Orleans to Mandeville). I thought I would be able to see it after a mile or two but about six hours later I finally spotted it. Of course we still had a west wind blowing and our destination was due west. We were sailing with the main and a storm jib since the geneoa was ripped to shreds.
Looking at the Causeway we saw the rise we could cross. We called the bridge police on the radio and they said the north shore rise was 45 feet and the south rise was 50 feet. Since we were on the north side and I had no idea how high my mast was, I called my wife. She looked it up on-line and told me the mast was about 41 feet. It was a bit uncomforatable but the south crossing was another 20 miles one way and we were ready to end this trip. I motored up to the crossing while my buddy stood on the bow looking up at the mast. I threw it in reverse as we approached to slow forward momentum, but found we had at least 6 feet of clearance.
Now we were home free, or at least we thought so. We were headed to the Tchefuncte River and following the north shore of the lake since my GPS did not have the river on its map. Another thunderstorm was brewing so we were motoring. We found the mouth of the river and attempted to head straight for it and found the depth finder was telling us it was a bad idea. We had to go west of the river to enter through a channel from the west side. We motored into the river with lightening popping all around us.
We finally made it to my slip safely, but for a novice sailor, it was a real adventure.
Tommy
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Sounds great

And a good adventure it was. In the future, when the wind starts to kick up, you can say to yourself, "well, its not as bad as the other trip". That in itself will prove comforting.

Glad you finally made it.

Tony B
 
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BobM

Wow...

I just moved my boat 180 pretty uneventful miles. We didn't even have enough wind to sail on until the last ten or fifteen miles and we got that because we came in between thunderstorms. I now count myself double luck. I am glad you made it okay, but I am glad I skipped the diving! I thought about buying a mask and flippers to keep on board, just in case, but passed on it. I better add them back to my shopping list.
 
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Jim

Wow! Job well done

you are not a novice sailor any more. Congrads, you are one of us now, a real sailor! Great story. Next time you will not forget the secure the sheets and the jib before the storm hits. I aways keep a mast and fins on board for just such trouble.

Well done and welcome to the club!
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Whew

Scary. Glad you made it home safely. Suggest you tie figure eight knots at the end of your jib sheets...:)
 
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Stu

What is the purpose of the figure eight knots tied in the jib sheets? frank
 
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biggio

Think I might have heard about this

Do one of you guys work for Lockeed Martin at Michoud?
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Frank

Figure 8 knots are so that the sheets cant pull back through the pulleys accidentally and end up in the water. In his case, in the prop.

Tony B
 
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jviss

Longest bridge

The Bang Na Expressway in Thailand is longer, by about 10 miles. Pontchartrain Expressway is second.

About this voyage, though, it seems to me that you guys just ventured off unprepared into bad weather, and were lucky making it.

I don't know why one would furl sails and motor, and then prepare to anchor when the weather comes up - I've found the boat more stable, comfortable, and safe while sailing. My experience sailing through thunderstorms has been that the biggest risks are lightening and poor visibility; I haven't experienced sever winds in t-storms, but I know it can happen.

Was the boat basically not under command while you were "bunkered" down below, in 60 MPH winds for 40 minutes?

Took a big gamble with that bridge clearance, too.

Apparently didn't have all the charts for the journey - GPS or otherwise?
 
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Bob

Novice question?

Sounds like an incredibly scary ending to what I hope was a great trip. I’m glad you made it home safe.

My wife and I were returning home last weekend when the winds cranked up. We started with 10-15’s which I loved but ¾ the way home it turned up to 20+ with gusts of 30. The sustained gusts just turned the boat into the wind no matter what I did with the rudder. Once we made a complete circle. I quickly rolled the jib but a sheet wrapped around a shroud and I couldn’t get it completely wrapped. I lucked out because the amount of jib left out was smaller than a storm jib. I couldn't reef the main without leaving the wheel. My partner was panicking, she is afraid of steering even in medium winds. I left the wheel and released the halyard dropping the main. Without a flaking system it was all over the deck. I was yelling to get some ties while trying to hold the sail from going over the side. She wasn’t happy I was on the deck afraid I would be knocked overboard. This was happening in sight of home. I didn’t feel quite so bad after seeing two other boats with jib sheets caught in their shrouds! Keeping a cool head is so important.
As scary as this was for us, I can’t imagine what it must have been like for you. I don’t want to know what a 60 mph wind feels like, not to mention having to snorkel down to your prop in those conditions and I’m a certified diver. I’m sure an ordeal like that would end my wife’s sailing career.

I do have a question for the experienced. At what point would you use a harness or would you? Where would you clip it? Tommy, I assume when you went below and bunkering down you anchored. I dread the thought of an experience like that but I guess it could happen at any time.
 
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jviss

Safety at sea

Underway on our boat, no one goes on deck (out of the cockpit) without wearing at least an inflatable PFD beltpack. We have four on board. On deck, stay low, and hold on. Watch John Rousmaniere's video "Heavy Weather Tactics."

In heavy weather, we can rig jack lines, and we have four harnesses on board with tethers for clipping to the jack lines.

One piece of advice I will offer is to practice your basic boat handling in mild weather. Imagine you were in a band and the only time you picked up your instrument was at a concert. You would sound awful! So, imagine trying to reef for the first time in 20+ kts., especially with a panicky crew.

Basic maneuvers (make your own list):

1. Tack
2. Jibe
3. Furl
4. Heave-to
5. Man overboard (we throw "Henri," a standard life jacket)

Then, prepare in advance how you will trim sails in increasing winds and seas - mentally prepare, and write it down.

(By the way, always keep some tension on the jib sheets - I guess it goes without saying).

Learn about currents, and about the risks of a lee shore.

Prepare a safety and maneuvering speech in advance, and give the speech to the crew before you set out.


Fate favors the well prepared.
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

Bob - Make Lazy Jacks.

After my first big storm soloing for the day, I came back to the dock and the very next day, I made a set of Lazy Jacks.
They are easy to make. Once your main drops into them, its a real quick operation to tie the main down.
Nice Boat. I had a 1984 Catalina 30 and loved it.

Tony B
 
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Bob

Heavy Weather

jviss,
I always wear an inflatable PFD. I make everyone aboard wear a life jacket, even in light breezes, when under way. I was curios as to where you would attach a jack line. I would be afraid to get knocked overboard and be dragged by the boat. I just ordered John Rousmaniere's video "Heavy Weather Tactics." from Amazon this am. Thanks for the advice.

Thank you Allied Mistress, I was thinking of making Lazy Jacks after following "what kind of Flake are you". I will do that. As far as the boat, I love her too. We are first time sailors this season. I absolutely love getting away for the weekend and she is just big enough to be comfortable.
 
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sailortonyb Allied Mistress 39

WE lived aboard our Cat 30

for about 5 years. We did lots of coastal cruising and I did some solo cruising on our Catalina 30. Great boat. If Catalina made I ketch rig, I would own it.

Tony B
 
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TFrere

Longest bridge???

The causeway used to be the longest bridge, I guess I'm not up to date on my world facts anymore....

sorry for the mis information.
 
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TFrere

Not Lockeed

neither of us work for Lockeed Martin. We both live and work in the lafayette area. I'm sure that many others got caught in the weather that weekend. We knew there was a chance of afternoon thundershowers but never expected anything so fierce.
 
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TFrere

bunkered down

I thought getting below was a better choice than motoring through or trying to sail through this storm. Neither of us has sailed in over 20 years so we were re-learning as we went. We both have plenty of recent boating experience, just not sailboats. I've been in motorboats where the seas and winds push you in areas you want to avoid. My anchor held firm and all turned out okay. I had the charts but couldn't find anything about the bridge heights. When we ran aground, we were just being careless. My boat is a shoal draft so we can run some pretty shallow areas, i just wasn't expecting open water in the lake to be that shallow.
 
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biggio

Madisonville Channel

T while I was reading your story the entrance to Madisonville popped into my head I was antcipating you running aground chapter their was comming. I was lucky to have made this run with a seasoned skipper and wasn't awarwof the marked channel. I had told him alone I would have sailed straight to the mouth of the river.
I have a chart of the lake and am surprised by the amount of shoal water in that area between the Riggolets and I-10 bridge. You got your boat and crew home and thats what counts. It was a hell of an adventure and lessons learned from the sound of it.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
the purpose of the figure eight knots tied in the jib sheets

is to stiop them from coming out of the fairleads, dropping overboard and stopping the engine.
 
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TimCup

Tfrere and Bob (Mattapoisett)-

Difficult conditions are the times we (or at least me)most remember and talk about. You've got a couple of stories to share! A story without tragedy is a great story...

Just yesterday I posted a quote about sailing being 1% sheer terror... does that feel accurate to you guys??

Tahnks for sharing.


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