Must Have ICW Anchorage Guides and Fair Use

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Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I recently got a copy of Mark and Dianna Doyle’s two volume guide to ICW anchorages from Norfolk to Miami. These are the only such guides produced by people who actually go out and verify the information themselves. The guides have a great presentation in which the actual depths recorded on their survey are indicated on the GPS track along with tidal data to help you compute the likely depth at the time you are entering.

http://www.onthewaterchartguides.com/

One of the best things about these guides is that Mark and Dianna have poked into many areas shown as just blue with no soundings on the standard charts. Most cruisers, and certainly myself, would bypass these places at the end of a long and tiring day when the last thing you want to deal with is a grounding. Unless you are adventurous, you will only know about these spots through the guides.

Remember reading about this long day? (See last half of post.)

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=138717&#post897242

The guides would have saved me their cost right there twice over as well as hours of anxious running at the end of an already very long day. I found an anchorage shown on my chart silted in and ran for hours without finding another, finally ending up paying for dockage at a marina. Mark and Dianna’s guide shows a good anchorage just the other side of the bridge but it didn’t look good at the time, right after just barely escaping the first with the use of full power and help of a strong tailwind.

I’m so excited about these guides that, having some time on my hand while waiting for suitable weather to head south, I decided to enter all of the locations into a file I can import into my chartplotter with the page numbers as the waypoint names. When planning, and especially when making on the fly plan changes, I can see the anchorage waypoint and immediately turn to the proper page in the guide without leafing back and forth in the book. I more often then not am cruising alone so it is well worth investing some shore time in this kind of workload saving.

A dozen pages into this project, I realized that it was going to be a lot of work. It seemed to me that this “Table of Contents” to the guides would be such a good thing for the authors to put on their website that it I would feel silly if it appeared after hours of work. I emailed them to ask if anything like that was in the works and to offer them my .gpx (importable into almost any GPS or charting program) file.

I got back an email from Mark imploring me to abandon the project. His feeling was that, if the file existed, it eventually get out on the Internet. I would give a friend a copy “just for his use”. The friend would do the same. Eventually, it would end up in the hands of someone who would post it on a website.

This led to an exchange of emails in which I got an illuminating picture into the world of trying to produce valuable information like this for the cruising community. The guides have only been out for a couple of weeks and people are busy translating its information into free online sites such as Active Captain and scanners and copy machines are busy all over the cruising world. Many of these anchorages would not be accessible without Mark and Dianna going out and running their boat into un-surveyed places. Just the locations are valuable information.

These guides are produced by just a couple working on their boat. They are not getting rich selling them. It is as much a contribution to the cruising lifestyle as it is a business. Anyone interested in supporting the concept of this kind of comprehensive information being available should do two things. One, buy the guides. Two, don’t copy and give them to friends.

I, personally, think that making my file, which only shows locations and corresponding page numbers, would increase sales of the guides. However, Mark knows the business far, far better than I do so I am going to respect is request not to give a copy of my work to anyone. So, please don’t ask but please do buy these excellent guides which I expect to make my trips south much easier this year.
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,811
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
Hi Roger,

I spent most of last night looking at the On the Water site and decided these would be a great addition. I got everything but the Mississippi charts and you're right, one night on the hook would equal the price of the books.

Let me back up, I firstly ran this by my corporate boss and she said I could get 'em. I also got the make-up mirror with the DC light around the edge and some facial anti-wrinkle creme. Now I'm up to three nights on the hook. :doh:My thinking was "Without the mirror you wouldn't know if you have wrinkles". :D That's why I'm not the boss.

Got a nice thank you from Mark.

All U Get
 

WayneH

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Jan 22, 2008
1,094
Tartan 37 287 Pensacola, FL
We bought "Skipper Bob's" guide to the GICW this year. It sure saved us a lot of time and trouble cruising between Freeport and Pensacola. Found a much much better anchorage on the Mermentau River than the one we used on the previous three trips through that area. Using it to plan our next trip next year.
 
Nov 6, 2009
353
Hunter 37 FL
Doyles also post updates to the guides on Facebook if you "like" them. Go to "on the water chartguides"
 
Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
guides continued

I recently got a copy of Mark and Dianna Doyle’s two volume guide to ICW anchorages from Norfolk to Miami. These are the only such guides produced by people who actually go out and verify the information themselves. The guides have a great presentation in which the actual depths recorded on their survey are indicated on the GPS track along with tidal data to help you compute the likely depth at the time you are entering.

http://www.onthewaterchartguides.com/

One of the best things about these guides is that Mark and Dianna have poked into many areas shown as just blue with no soundings on the standard charts. Most cruisers, and certainly myself, would bypass these places at the end of a long and tiring day when the last thing you want to deal with is a grounding. Unless you are adventurous, you will only know about these spots through the guides.

Remember reading about this long day? (See last half of post.)

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=138717&#post897242

The guides would have saved me their cost right there twice over as well as hours of anxious running at the end of an already very long day. I found an anchorage shown on my chart silted in and ran for hours without finding another, finally ending up paying for dockage at a marina. Mark and Dianna’s guide shows a good anchorage just the other side of the bridge but it didn’t look good at the time, right after just barely escaping the first with the use of full power and help of a strong tailwind.

I’m so excited about these guides that, having some time on my hand while waiting for suitable weather to head south, I decided to enter all of the locations into a file I can import into my chartplotter with the page numbers as the waypoint names. When planning, and especially when making on the fly plan changes, I can see the anchorage waypoint and immediately turn to the proper page in the guide without leafing back and forth in the book. I more often then not am cruising alone so it is well worth investing some shore time in this kind of workload saving.

A dozen pages into this project, I realized that it was going to be a lot of work. It seemed to me that this “Table of Contents” to the guides would be such a good thing for the authors to put on their website that it I would feel silly if it appeared after hours of work. I emailed them to ask if anything like that was in the works and to offer them my .gpx (importable into almost any GPS or charting program) file.

I got back an email from Mark imploring me to abandon the project. His feeling was that, if the file existed, it eventually get out on the Internet. I would give a friend a copy “just for his use”. The friend would do the same. Eventually, it would end up in the hands of someone who would post it on a website.

This led to an exchange of emails in which I got an illuminating picture into the world of trying to produce valuable information like this for the cruising community. The guides have only been out for a couple of weeks and people are busy translating its information into free online sites such as Active Captain and scanners and copy machines are busy all over the cruising world. Many of these anchorages would not be accessible without Mark and Dianna going out and running their boat into un-surveyed places. Just the locations are valuable information.

These guides are produced by just a couple working on their boat. They are not getting rich selling them. It is as much a contribution to the cruising lifestyle as it is a business. Anyone interested in supporting the concept of this kind of comprehensive information being available should do two things. One, buy the guides. Two, don’t copy and give them to friends.

I, personally, think that making my file, which only shows locations and corresponding page numbers, would increase sales of the guides. However, Mark knows the business far, far better than I do so I am going to respect is request not to give a copy of my work to anyone. So, please don’t ask but please do buy these excellent guides which I expect to make my trips south much easier this year.
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Claiborne Young has written several guides
which he personally checked. While his
books are written for power boat cruising
they have good information especially about
unique places in the Carolinas. His books are
more social and informative of local stuff.

So the statement, "These are the only such
guides produced by people who actually go
out and verify the information themselves"
is not completely accurate.

When cruising the Carolina's, Claiborne's
guides are helpful especially when you want
a Marina.

He also publishes an ICW chart book of North
Carolina that has the charts edited so that you
can easily follow and check buoys. While the
book is dated for specifics it is good for days
planing.

His chart book helps when using GPS and
trying to verify buoy #'s and mile posts on
the ICW and other river channels in NC.

It is important to remember that the Carolina's
ICW has sand bars which move. Any
measurement of depth yesterday should
not be completely trusted today.

And Claiborne is responsible for:

http://cruisersnet.net/

Also, in these parts, hurricane season is from June to November, 15...

But that has not stopped the St. Mary's crowd.

Ed K
by the lighthouse on the Little River, ICW and
it is still hot.


 
Sep 29, 2007
22
-Gemini 3400 #379 -Gemini Palm Beach, Florida
Guides? Try Active Captain

I love guides. I buy them, read them, dream over them and used to use them. Then
Active Captain came out. The guide information is geolocated on several of the well known chart readers and can be used without internet access.

While there are no guarantees, hundreds of boaters contribute their experience and reviews of anchorages, marinas, bridges that aren't what they are marked and everything else I need to cruise, anchor, buy fuel, eat and dream on.

Guides, like newspapers, are on their way out.

I pre-print arrival information when off shore sailing but rely on soft copies and redundancy for the normal day-to-day cruising. /Stu
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Guides, like newspapers, are on their way out.
Yes, and I use all the Internet sources as well. For a boat like mine thought, where there is not practical way to fire up a laptop in the cockpit when I'm alone and underway, guides like these are invaluable. I can duck below, flip it open in the cockpit, and not put a boat buck of hardware and software that I depend on for so many things at risk.
 
Dec 8, 2006
1,085
Oday 26 Starr, SC
sailing information

I love guides. I buy them, read them, dream over them and used to use them. Then
Active Captain came out. The guide information is geolocated on several of the well known chart readers and can be used without internet access.

While there are no guarantees, hundreds of boaters contribute their experience and reviews of anchorages, marinas, bridges that aren't what they are marked and everything else I need to cruise, anchor, buy fuel, eat and dream on.


Guides, like newspapers, are on their way out.

I pre-print arrival information when off shore sailing but rely on soft copies and redundancy for the normal day-to-day cruising. /Stu
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Reading this post and looking
back at Roger's post:

This led to an exchange of emails in which I
got an illuminating picture into the world of
trying to produce valuable information like t
his for the cruising community. The guides
have only been out for a couple of weeks
and people are busy translating its
information into free online sites such
as Active Captain and scanners and
copy machines are busy all over the
cruising world. Many of these anchorages
would not be accessible without Mark and
Dianna going out and running their boat into
un-surveyed places. Just the locations are
valuable information.




Yes it seems one honest hard
working couple and many stealing
their work already. Right out of
the works of Marx. No ownership
or benefit of ones own work.

And this begs the question, much
to use stolen information? Remember
their work was not offered for free.

Ed K








 
Jul 8, 2004
155
Hunter 33.5 Portsmouth VA
I too use all the Internet sources as well, but I agree with Roger, it's also not practical to fire up a laptop in my cockpit when underway. I ordered the Doyle's ICW guides last night, got a reply/thank you from Diana this morning and she included all the info on where to find updates on Twitter and Facebook. I found Skipper Bob's guides, the ICW Chartbook and Cruisers' Net invaluable in my previous trips to FL and back. Each evening I poured over the charts, guides and internet sites to plan the next day's anchorage, marina and alternates. There are lots of invaluable personal notes in the margins and white spaces of my old Skipper Bob guides and I'll be referring to these during my next trip. These new guides will just be another tool added to the mix.
 
Apr 8, 2010
1,606
Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
Roger, While I understand his concern about the information getting pirated, it would be better if he offered the file you made (or his own) along with each copy of the guide for a few extra dollars. he then provides a value no other company is selling, which would then sell more of his guides. The locations alone are not enough, espicially if he included waypoints along the route that were great places to go explore on the dighy or a paddle board (my new favorite in harbor activity), and if he included warnings about particular areas that were silted in. That would mean that the waypoint information could not be trusted to navigate to without first verifying what the waypoint represented (attraction, anchorage, or hazard).

Sadly some people are just too afraid of the internet and technology to use it to their, and our, benefit.
 
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