Music revisited

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Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 25_73-83 NORTH POINT MARINA/WINTHROP HA IL
In a previous post concerning musical tastes, there were three pages of responses, yet, only two of the posts mentioned Classical Music. Is this overwhelming taste for popular music indicative of the majority of people who sail and/or is this a reflection of the culture in which we live? Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Hayden, Wagner, Chopin, Schubert, Schumann,Scarlatti . . .where have you gone?
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Simple answer - classical music with few exceptions doesnt have the 'meter' or timing to 'match' the motion of the sea. You need 'dance' music for that and few classical composers generated 'dance' music.

Fiddle music, pop-music, etc. has a common-time repeating tempo. Few classical compositions have a tempo that 'matches' with 'a wave period'.
 

Les

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May 8, 2004
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Hunter 27 Bellingham, WA
I've seen this request about sailing music over the years but I always knew that what I like really didn't fit the majority. Yes, I really like the classical music but I also like marching band music and jazz. And I have to disagree with RichH about the tempo and wave combinations. I also play my bagpipes sometimes when I sail (adjusting the sails is a bit difficult I will admit) and enjoy every moment (some say bagpipes are best heard far, far away).

However, here is a sampling of what I like: Tchaikovsky's Sleeping beauty and Swan Lake have great melodies for sailing along with Wagner's Rienzi overture and the overture to Tannhauser. Great stuff. Vaughan Williams always seems to me to have written music just for sailing. At the moment I am listening to "In the Fen Country" and the "Norforlk Rhapsody." Very soothing on a light air day. The Rossini overtures are always stimulating--makes you want to adjust the trim of the sails or something.

But on a good windy day I found my collection of band music (The Queen's Own or the Black Watch, etc.) is much more satisfying as band music seems to have a level of loudness that can overcome wind and boat noises--a good time to turn the volume up when I'm out in the bay by myself. This is no time for music to go soft and then get loud because I'm too busy sailing to be able to constantly adjust the volume.

One of my chief delights in the past couple of years is to buy a lunch to go and eat in the boat listening to, say, Schubert's Unfinished Symphony. I've done this all winter long and it is one of my most happy times.

But....RichH, I'll bet perhaps you and I and a very few others like classical. It is an acquired taste akin to liking martinis.

My best to you.
 
Jun 5, 2010
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Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
I disagree that classical music doesn't have the 'rhythm' of the sea. I find it relaxing and intellectually stimulating in nearly all applications. Then again my CD collection is probably more varied than most people's; and being a musician may have something to do with that.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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I guess its all a matter of preference. I was originally trained in classical violin (had no choice my parents are Austrian - where ALL must either learn violin or piano).

I play the 5 string clawhammer banjo (melodic not rhythmic), the violin/fiddle, .... and keep boats 'from anchoring on top of me' by practicing the bagpipe chanter in the cockpit which also keeps the barracudas away.

Its just too damn hard to toe-tap or dance to 'classical' music AND you can fit infinitely more popular songs/music on an iPod than consuming the memory with longhair stuff.

The only real difference between the pop music and 'classical' ... it takes longer for classical sheet music to burn.
 
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Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
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Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Some of my favorites include Korsakov, Beethoven, Bizet, Vivaldi and Mozart.
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
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Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
I like classical music LIVE, it is breathtaking to go watch and listen to an orchestra. It does not deliver the same experience for me recorded. My mother took us to see the orchestra in an outside amphitheater in the summer.
 
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Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Here's my 2 cents, and don't get p.o.'d Jimmy Buffet lovers..... I love classical music... but it requires that you give it your attention to be appreciated and that takes away from my sailing awareness... Jimmy Buffet's style... 4 chord "island" music with a simple 4 beat rythmn melts easily into the elements around you... it allows you to unconciously tap your foot or sing along with it but not force you to take your attention away your sailing duties.

Classical music has it's place on my boat.... usually when I'm tied up to the dock, alone and there are no disturbances. But not when I'm sailing...... that's when the simple stuff seems to work better for me.. Not necessarily Jimmy Buffet, but certainly some good old classic mellow rock... Loggins and Messina, Doobies, Eagles.... ESPECIALLY the EAGLES....."it's another tequila sunrise" Yeah...

You know who I really enjoy.. Basia.. sing along now....... "...gonna be a NEW DAY for YOU.."

See... you can't do that with classical music, you have to find a quiet place, close your eyes and tune in to the passion of Beethoven (Pathetique, is my fave) or the fantasy dream of Rimsky-Korsakoff's "Scheherazade".
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Joe, that is probably one of the reasons Classical music is less listened to than other genres - it is more like reading a book to listen to it. Good point. Another problem with classical music is that it is stuck in the past. The old war heroes get overplayed after a few hundred years. Modern composers, like a Berio or a Foss go overlooked.
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 25_73-83 NORTH POINT MARINA/WINTHROP HA IL
It was great to hear the honest responses to this Classical Music thread. But, without engaging in a protracted dissertation on Music, I would like to respond to a few inaccuracies of the respondents. Firstly, to say that "few classical composers generated dance music" is completely incorrect and contradictory to the History of Western Music. The earliest forms of music from the Medieval through the Baroque were common dance forms:Saltarello, Galliard, Pavanne, Allemande, Gavotte, Sarabande, etc. and it was these same popular dance forms that became the basis for more extended works during the Classical and Romantic Periods-the symphony,suite and sonata forms. They were easy to dance to and maintained a regular beat, not unlike popular music today, although the earlier forms certainly had more interesting melodies and harmonies. Another misconception is that Classical Music is "long hair stuff." This comment belies the foundation of Classical Music and generally speaks to musical "class warfare" generated by people who believe Classical Music is for educated or "snobby" people only. This also is contradictory to its origin since the earliest forms of Classical Music, as stated previously, started as popular dances in England, France, Germany, Italy and Spain by common people as a form of entertainment. And finally, the assertion that Classical Music is" stuck in the past" implies that anything prior to the contemporary period somehow is antiquated or beyond its usefulness as an Art form. If that were the case, then we should discard all Art, Music and Literature that is not contemporary as no longer relevant. Shakespeare, Bach, Micheangelo, DaVinci--off thee to a nunnery! I do not consider myself a snob, a long hair or someone devoid of rhythm but have cherished the relationship between the timeless beauty, rhythm and melody of the classical form and its relationship to Man and the Sea. From the steady dance of a windward beat, to the rhythmic theme and variation of a gentle beam reach and the symphonic crashes of a charging boat offwind all reveal the rhythmic nuances that Classical Music and sailing have in common. Music is a cultural phenomena and unless it is taught in the schools as part of a regular curicullum, it will be lost to our culture. Anyone for Sunfish sailing and Snoop Doggy Dog?
 

Tricia

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Jun 4, 2004
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Freedom 30 Victoria, BC
One of my best sailing memories ever...

...was listening to Bach's Brandenburg Concertos as dolphins swam alongside. Doesn't get much better than that!
 
Dec 25, 2008
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catalina 310 Elk River
Back in the 1950's Bebop (a very sophisticated and complex chord structure) was popular music heard on AM radio. Now what do you hear on most radio station for popular music?
In order to get something out of music you need to put some effort into learning about it. I'm not sure the general public wants, or even can put the effort in anymore.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
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Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
This weekend while sailing I was thinking about this thread and the conversation about classical, the different beats of each type of music and I was thinking about how similar the music (sometimes just in my head) I chose fits skiing just as it does sailing. It depends on what the conditions are. Sailing/Skiing fast with The Killers doing Mr.Brightside http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhMSKdCgVYQ&feature=related
is amazing and when we are sailing/skiing smooth and steady but quietly there is nothing like feeling the music from The Libertine by Michael Nyman , Rochester's Farewell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJb_wNFrmhg. Both completely different but both sort of break my heart but seem to fill it up.

I have really enjoyed reading so many different thoughts on music and what everyone enjoys, it adds so much to getting a picture of us all plus I have added music to my i-tunes collection! Thanks for so much variety.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Defending "stuck in the past": In now way does that statement imply that the past is irrelevant and not worth listening to. If I had meant to say that "implication" then I would have said just that. My point is that many classical enthusiasts really dislike the harmonic and rhythmic voyages of the 20th century and beyond. Unless one is near a major symphony (Chicago, New York, maybe San Fran), one can almost never hear a live performance of anything written after 1900. Try to find a live perfromance of Luciano Berio, or a a Lukas Foss, Once in a while you can catch Bartok or Stravinsky, but for the must part these are tough to come by in most cities, thus my statement that the genre seems to be stuck in the past.
 

LuzSD

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Feb 21, 2009
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Catalina 30 San Diego/ Dana Point, Ca.
Joe, that is probably one of the reasons Classical music is less listened to than other genres - it is more like reading a book to listen to it. Good point. Another problem with classical music is that it is stuck in the past. The old war heroes get overplayed after a few hundred years. Modern composers, like a Berio or a Foss go overlooked.

very good comparison, I like that.:) Both are wonderful but very different experiences. Nice job!
 
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